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Thanks for the Einstein/Tagore quote, Maria. For you and any other interested parties, Michael McClure has an interesting book called _Scratching the Beat Surface_, which I dip in and out of often. It is a series of essays and memories about the Beats and about his engagement with the animal nature of human beings, and concludes with a poem called _Hail Thee Who Play_ He qoutes complete poems by Snyder, Olson, Whalen, Creeley, Kerouac, Crane, Blackburn, and part of _Howl_ by Ginsberg. Much of his thesis is 'a conception of the poem as a physical extension of the body', exploring a 'biological basis for poetry'. (Quotes from the jacket.) My copy's a hardback from North Point Press, San Francisco, 1982. Well worth investigating. Andrew PS: Aren't North Point Books well produced! I like the feel of them, and their practicality - wellbound, easily read - gives you confidence in the text as well. I think when you read books that you are afraid to open out flat a little of that insecurity comes into your reading. Is it just me? AB ---------------------------------------- Andrew Burke Copywriting [log in to unmask] Creative Writing http://www.bam.com.au/andrew/ Editing ----------------------------------------