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Really, what I done/said that was "thuggish"?! >From: Mark Weiss <[log in to unmask]> >Reply-To: Poetryetc provides a venue for a dialogue relating to poetry and > poetics <[log in to unmask]> >To: [log in to unmask] >Subject: the recent unpleasantness, and a plea to the list for action >Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 14:31:48 -0700 > >I'm not in the habit of outing backchannels, but this one is really the >list's business. Like several other members I've seen another list almost >destroyed by this sort of thing, and I don't want that to happen here. So >here's a backchannel from David Hess and my response to it. In the light of >his admitted sense of what list membership permits (see his second >sentence) I think he should be removed from the list immediately. > >I expect unmerciful backchannel abuse. > >Mark > > > > > >At 08:01 PM 6/11/2001, you wrote: > >> > >>Dear Mark, > >> > >>I appreciate u looking out for me and wanting me not to ruin my chances >on > >>being accepted by the members of the list. I joined Poetryetc with no >other > >>intention than to duel with Kent Johnson, whether through immature or >mature > >>means. I realize I may have offended people by engaging in cheap shot > >>tactics and I take responsibility for that. Like I said, I asked Kent to > >>take our silly "debate" backchannel, because it was clear he was not >going > >>to engage in a discussion. When I made the statement that juvenilia >which >is > >>good shld be accepted as poetry and that my remarks don't merit such a > >>label, Robin Hamilton took it upon himself to inform me of what I >already > >>admitted. To me, that was insulting. Kent johnson, in my opinion, is a > >>two-faced crybaby who someone shld knock down without letting him get >back > >>up and make excuses for his pathetic behavior. I'll spare u with the > >>specific incidents, as I'm sure u are all too familiar with them. Tho >I'd > >>like to say in my defense that in no way have I set up other e-nail >accounts > >>in his name. Even if it were true, there is no way he wld know whether >it > >>was me or some other bozo. Kent has challenged me to write something in > >>acceptable language that argues for or against his project. I will try >to >do > >>this tonight, when I have some free time. > >> > >>David > > >This is more than a little like crashing into a stranger's house because >someone else might be there. A modicum of self-awareness would let you know >that your behavior toward the list was inappropriate. That's what offended >people. Mind you, I'm not defending Kent or Robin--their behavior is >irrelevant. I'm going to recommend--I don't do this very often--that you be >bounced from the list. > > > >Do you understand that lists like poetryetc are set up to extend civility >and communication, not to provide backlots for thuggish behavior? > > > >Mark _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com