> From: [log in to unmask] > Just a short PS: why do the words "immortal soul" have to belong > together? Why can't one have a mortal soul? A very good question, though again one which would take us too far away from the list. But since it's been asked here are a few random reflections: That the soul exists is obvious: there is a difference between a person alive and that same person's dead body, and that difference is the soul. The question is why should it be immortal. Freud, who called the soul the unconscious, remarked that death is an abstract concept with a negative content, and since the unconscious admits of neither abstraction nor negativity it cannot conceive of death, which is the psychoanalytical way of saying that the soul is immortal. Freud's disciple Weston LaBarre may have come closest by calling death "the ultimate insult to our narcissism." Human vanity is such that we simply refuse to believe we can die. A similar revelation inheres in the old Peanuts cartoon showing Snoopy lying on his dog house contemplating death: "I'm to young to die. I'm too good to die. I'm too ME to die!" In historical support of this we see that all through history all over the world very few people have ever simply refused to believe that they are are really going to die. Most members of the human race have and do believe in some sort of afterlife. Even agnostics and atheists usually use some sort of weasel words like "I don't think anyone can tell." (I myself am among the minority who realizes exactly what happens to us when we die.) Pindar said that a human being is the dream of a shadow. But if there is a shadow there must be something that casts it; if there is a dream there must be a dreamer. ObPoetry: Aye, but to die, and go we know not where; To lie in cold obstruction, and to rot; This sensible warm motion to become A kneaded clod, and the dilated spirit To bathe in fiery floods, or to reside In thrilling region of thick-ribbed ice; To be imprisoned in the viewless winds, And blown with restless violence round about The pendent world; or to be worse than worst Of those that lawless and uncertain thought Imagine howling -- 'tis too horrible! Measure for Measure 3.1 Footnote on above: For all his terror of death Claudio still does not really think he is going to die: he thinks that what happens to him after death is going to be horrible, but he thinks that he is going to be there for it to happen to him. Additional footnote: the speech is really pretty funny when you take it with the Duke's speech on death a few minutes earlier. ==== When power leads man toward arrogance, poetry reminds him of his limitations. When power narrows the areas of man's concern, poetry reminds him of the richness and diversity of his existence. When power corrupts, poetry cleanses. -- John F. Kennedy _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com