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Can we take this somewhat tedious repetition of the same arguments back to first principles? I really see no point in listening to the beats of two different drums. I've got a longer (SLOW) version of my question, and a short one (VERY FAST), for those who care. SLOW JK originally wrote: >i am not interested in the idea of australia. i am interested in bringing >attention to tension and conflict behind the face of pleasantness - to >highlight the injustices to indigenous peoples and the racisms and >misogyny that prop up the Australian government, its bureaucracy, and >those capitalist enterprises that support it. i wish to highlight the >injustices to animals as well as humans, and to work towards halting the >destruction of the environment. REHABILITATION, PREVENTION, and a >linguistic disobedience. To which Daniel replied: >Very poetic, john, must i say that it reeks of nationalism...you're playing >the same game, however, what you want to do is change the rules. But what >you don't realize is that changing the rules will only leave you with a bad >game. What needs to be done is to change the game and this you have not >touched on. "not interested in the idea of australia"...sure you are. I understand how you may see John's concepts of australia (the idea) and australia (the reality) as the same. Surely this is the same as assuming that the physical nation and the machinery of the state are the same. But, if I am right, JK is eschewing the desire to define national literatures (the "idea of australia") in order to focus on the actual hardships and problems (the "tension and conflict behind the face of unpleasantness) that exist behind such high faluting concepts. Nobody will deny that you need understand the rules before you can understand how to break them - but where exactly does your philosophy fit in to all of this? FAST In short: WHAT IS THE POINT? Excuse my interruption, but I think the point of this argument got lost somewhere in the mire. Bob Johnson Associated New Media Part of the Daily Mail, Mail on Sunday, Evening Standard and Metro media group. http://www.thisislondon.co.uk http://www.thisismoney.com http://www.ukplus.co.uk http://www.bigbluedog.com http://www.femail.co.uk This e-mail and any attached files are intended for the named addressee only. It contains information which may be confidential and legally privileged and also protected by copyright. Unless you are the named addressee (or authorised to receive for the addressee) you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you received it in error please notify the sender immediately and then delete it from your system. We make every effort to keep our network free from viruses. However you do need to check this e-mail and any attachments to it for viruses as we can take no responsibility for any computer virus which may be transferred by way of this e-mail.