From: fshck@UMAC on 12/02/2001 09:09 PM Daniel, if you haven't read the Tao Te Ching or the Zhuangzi (or Chuang Tzu) - esp. chapters one and two - I think you might find them interesting. Christopher Kelen, Faculty of Social Sciences and Humanities, University of Macau, P.O. Box 3001 Taipa, Macau S.A.R., China telephone: 853 3974 212 (office) 853 3974 621 (home) (Embedded image moved Daniel Jab <[log in to unmask]> to file: 02/12/2001 08:54 PM pic05590.pcx) Please respond to Poetryetc provides a venue for a dialogue relating to poetry and poetics <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] cc: (bcc: fshck/UMAC) Subject: Re: statement (INTRODUCTION) I suppose I should have complied all my replies into one grand message but I hope everyone doesn't mind too much. In the future I shall be more space considerate. Well, what shall I say about myself? I've been writing poetry for about 3 years (furiously spilling out 1000 or so poems), I'm now 23 and feel that I have approached the culmination of my poetic drive. My poetry, uptil now, was a sweeping type of metaphysical, quasi-spiritual, pseudo- intellectual, miopic splattering... Much like Jorie Graham's work but less stringent...When i say that I have approached the culimation of my poetic drive, I mean to say that I have, for the time-being, stopped writing poetry. It has failed to provide me with the type of "meaning" satisfaction that I initially took it up for. I suppose I grew tried of not saying anything. Don't misunderstand me, I do not assume all poetry is meaningless verbiage, but for my own purposes, poetry left me without an exacting knife to wield. It was too open to interpretation, when what I really wanted to do was do some of the interpreting. I sincerely believe that nature continually speaks to us, though obviously not in words but in music that one can hear with the eyes. One day i realized that when i was writing my poems I was watching the trees "looking for words" when I should have been hearing what was going on "without" them, so to speak. I should have been listening to what in my own heart was engaging them, causing them to be "being seen". I should have been freely interpreting "What keeps from happening". Anyhow, I could go on like this forever but the point is that I found myself leaning increasingly toward philosophy. But modern analytical philosophy has shunned metaphysics and so I feel I am in a bit of a conundrum. I don't entirely fit with poets and not entirely with the new breed of philosophers, but this does not at all bother me. I suppose I like my position quite well. So I like to correspond with both parties and appreciate both perspectives. On Fri, 9 Feb 2001 17:51:03 -0000, david.bircumshaw <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >Hi Daniel > >As Candice says : 'Maybe you could introduce yourself and tell us something >about your poetry.' > >It would be a better way to start a dialogue. > > >cheers > >david b