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I hear what you're saying too, Candice: and we all have to make allowances for the limitations of email. I find bigotries of whatever ideological persuasion hard to take, that's all. Which goes for Left _and_ Right. I wasn't going so far as to suggest that Fred leave. My question wasn't rhetorical, it was a real question. Cheers Alison -- Alison Croggon Home page http://www.users.bigpond.com/acroggon/ Masthead http://au.geocities.com/masthead_2/