Doh! And there I was thinking it was some obscure mediaeval poem which maybe I had to read in manuscript... Got some sleep last night (cuddled safely on Chaucer) and am now doing my best to impersonate a human being. A >Oh pShaw, as the wan don said--bet you keep it under your pillow! > >Cacklin', > >C > > > >on 12/5/01 3:32 AM, Alison Croggon at [log in to unmask] wrote: > >> Candice - Now where would I find The Franklin's Tale? I'm all agog >> and nowhere near a good library - but gentilesse sounds pretty much >> the arena I want to play in - >> >> Best >> >> A >> >>> Alison wrote: >>> >>>> What is a better word for a >>>> sense of mutual respect and mutual responsibility, which also implies >>>> difference? For something which means the enrichment of social >>>> relationships, in its focussing on individual validities? I do mean >>>> something quite specific and real, which I know is possible from my >>>> own personal relationships, but I don't quite know how to describe it. >>> >>> Interjecting a response to both here, I'd say read _The Franklin's Tale_, >>> where the word is _gentilesse_--a nobility of spirit or >>>sensibility in which >>> _trouthe_ and _freodom_ combine to yield the notion of integrity. >>>When their >>> personal integrity is made the basis of Arveragus and Dorigen's >>> relationship, it breeds the same in their relations with others: debts are >>> forgiven precisely because they've been honored, debtors freed by virtue of >>> the binding words--their troth--to which they remain true. When Aurelius >>> rises to the gentilesse of Arveragus and Dorigen, he too becomes a freeman >>> ("franklin"). Resolved to be truthful to the _Maister_ (magician and >>> philosopher) whom he'd wooed with a fine meal and then promised to pay an >>> exorbitant sum for a seductive illusion, he is released from his >>>own debt in >>> turn with a gesture redolent of Christopher's Prynne-at-the-table: You paid >>> for my food, says the old master of _moones mansions in minde_--"It is >>> ynough." >>> >>> Here is what poets do and what poets learn how to do from their >>> predecessors, as Chaucer learned this instructive tale from Boccaccio and >>> Prynne has gone to school on the both of them, among others. What >>>remains to >>> be done now, as always, is for the rest of the world to learn from >>> poets--but the world we live in seems neither inclined to be so >>>educated nor >>> to have produced many poets with the wherewithal for the job, including the >>> requisite gentilesse. >>> >>> Candice >>> >>> >>> Christopher wrote: >>> >>>>> So what should poets do? What _can_ they do? The questions you >>>>> began with. I >>>>> too don't believe that poetry can (or should) be justified by its >>>>> _usefulness_. It's certainly not very 'useful' in any direct or >>>>> obvious way. >>>>> But as writers and as readers we _can_ 'work and eat at the same table', >>>>> as >>>>> Prynne puts it. We can remain alive to the consequences of >>>>>what is on that >>>>> table. We can 'look to [our] limits and employ them' (also Prynne). >> >> -- >> >> >> Alison Croggon >> >> Home page >> http://users.bigpond.com/acroggon/ >> Masthead >> http://au.geocities.com/masthead_2/ -- Alison Croggon Home page http://users.bigpond.com/acroggon/ Masthead http://au.geocities.com/masthead_2/