Ali and Douglas, Why not speak of Hafiz now? Now is the time to invoke those poets whose work/lives are a compass in a drudge of days. The copy of Hafiz I have is called THE GIFT, translations by Daniel Ladinsky. Can either of you recommend further reading? THE GIFT, how appropriate. Across the centuries, out of the rubble of history, among the outrages bloodied stones once called homes a Call for any with ears to hear, THE GIFT. > Everyone born into the world has a role in destruction > But within the ruins you must say; Where is the sober? Hafiz, tr. Ali Alizadeh Thank you, Ali! :fp *************** Frank Parker [log in to unmask] http://now.at/frankshome ----- Original Message ----- From: "ALI ALIZADEH" <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 11:22 PM Subject: Re: WTC > Now I get what you're saying. Thanks for clarifying your point - and as one of > Hafiz's followers I don't wish to dwell on this point any more than you do; his name > is too sacred to be associated with this modern and morbid situation. However, a > couplet from one of Hafiz's ghasels (in my on-the-spot and dorky translation) may be > relevant to the current situation, as the madness of revenge prepares to match the > horrors of terrorism: > > Everyone born into the world has a role in destruction > But within the ruins you must say; Where is the sober? > > or something to that effect. > > peace > > Ali > > > > ---- Original Message ---- > From: Douglas Clark > Date: Thu 9/13/01 15:20 > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: WTC > > I dont really want to talk about but Hafiz represents a Persian > love of life in contrast to the fundamentalists reaction to US policy. > > > > Douglas Clark, Bath, England mailto: [log in to unmask] > Lynx: Poetry from Bath .......... http://www.bath.ac.uk/~exxdgdc/lynx.html > > On Thu, 13 Sep 2001, ALI ALIZADEH wrote: > > > At any rate, I still have no idea why you've dragged Hafiz into this horror. What > on > > earth does he have to do with fundementalism? > > > > Ali > > > > ---- Original Message ---- > > From: Douglas Clark > > Date: Thu 9/13/01 2:12 > > To: [log in to unmask] > > Subject: Re: WTC > > > > I thought I had said Hafiz was an example of civilisation. > > But 'rational thinking' I said. > > >