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I noticed that book in its hardback review and am hoping it turns up in paperback in six months time at a sensible price so I can buy it. REgarding the NYRB it is nothing to do with the NYT and you subscribe to it direct, as I do to the LRB and TLS. Some weeks I get duluged with all three copies in one day. They leapfrog each other in reading value. Douglas Clark, Bath, England mailto: [log in to unmask] Lynx: Poetry from Bath .......... http://www.bath.ac.uk/~exxdgdc/lynx.html On Mon, 10 Sep 2001, Mark Weiss wrote: > Nice catch, Tom, and apropos. > > The story is a review of a book about the reading habits of the English > working clss in past centuries, when there seems to have been much less of > a class divide over what got read, in English, at least. The same was true > in the US. Samuel Gompers, the labor leader and founder of the CIO, worked > as a reader in a cigar workshop, reading the classics to the cigar makers. > All shops of any size that weren't too noisy had readers. > > Mark > > At 03:28 PM 9/10/2001 -0500, you wrote: > >this story from the NYTimes might be relevant here? > >http://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/08/arts/08CONN.html > > > >tom bell > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "david.bircumshaw" <[log in to unmask]> > >To: <[log in to unmask]> > >Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 5:21 PM > >Subject: Re: Postmodern?/more baroque > > > > > >> > While we're at it, you do, like most of us, suck at the trough of > >> bourgeois > >> > society. By the way > >> > >> Yes, Mark, we do. > >> > >> Altho' I can claim impeccable Brit working class credentials I'm very > >aware > >> too that my relative poverty is wealth by the standards of the Third World > >> and as well I have no idea what investments my company pension fund > >derives > >> its returns from. > >> > >> Mea culpa, altho' I'm very innocent by nature. > >> > >> Best > >> > >> Dave > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Mark Weiss" <[log in to unmask]> > >> To: <[log in to unmask]> > >> Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 10:59 PM > >> Subject: Re: Postmodern?/more baroque > >> > >> > >> > You don't really mean that. Just throw anything at the page? Learn > >nothing > >> > from the practice of one's craft? > >> > > >> > Of course I could say that any prestructured project reifies hierarchy, > >> but > >> > that would be pretty dumb. Also tactless and (intellectually) immature. > >> > > >> > If you don't want to engage an argument just say so. This sort of > >sidestep > >> > just pisses me off. I have a hard time abiding political accusations or > >> > fools in silence. Reminds me, I guess, of the endless arguments of my > >> > adolescence about who was a better Trotskyist. > >> > > >> > While we're at it, you do, like most of us, suck at the trough of > >> bourgeois > >> > society. By the way. > >> > > >> > Mark > >> > > >> > At 08:49 PM 9/10/2001 +0100, you wrote: > >> > >On Mon, 10 Sep 2001 10:29:39 -0700, Mark Weiss <[log in to unmask]> > >> > >wrote: > >> > > > >> > >>The links between the > >> > >>>poet and the literary/cultural theorist is somehow unavoidable. I > >> myself > >> > >>>do not believe in spontaneity and I hope that behind each poet there > >is > >> a > >> > >>>project not merely a vent of words, an outburst of tears or joy, the > >> > >desire > >> > >>>to give find expression for one's wrath. > >> > >> > >> > >>Theorists, some of them poets, will continue to theorize and > >> occasionally > >> > >>invent isms, but the impact of the link is certainly avoidable if > >theory > >> > >>follows from, is derived from, practice. > >> > >> > >> > >>Writing spontaneously doesn't mean writing egotistically. Writing with > >a > >> > >>project in mind often does. One is finally only protected from oneself > >> by > >> > >>tact and maturity. > >> > >> > >> > >>Mark > >> > > > >> > >By the way: tact and maturity are no reelvant measures for poetry. > >> > >these are good measures for bourgeois society. > >> > > > >> > >erminia > >> > > > >> > > > >