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Hi, Folks, I wanted to respond to Jacques statement about professional experience and a doctoral education. I believe this is the best of both worlds. However, as a department head, I grow increasingly concerned about where our programs are now in the US in regard to tenure. It has been difficult to have design faculty tenured on practice alone (no research activities or publishing) . It seems committees still want to see juried journal articles, research docs and a host of other credentials similar to what their discipline would expect for tenure. The bar has been raised for our profession. To make matters worse, we do not have many design deans around the country to support our designers coming up the line. I think the next few years may be difficult...in finding new faculty with the credentials that will get them tenured in research institutions. Lorraine At 07:55 AM 10/30/01 -0700, you wrote: >Further to my most recent response to Gunnar I need to stress that >professional experience and doctoral education are not mutually exclusive. >In the School of Design at ASU every faculty member with a PhD also has >many years of professional practice. From my perspective it is not a case >of either or but both. > >Jacques Giard, PhD >Professor and Director >School of Design >College of Architecture and Environmental Design >P (480) 965-1373 >F (480) 965-9717 > >---------- From: Stephen Scrivener Reply To: Stephen >Scrivener Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 6:15 >AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: PhD, MFA, >research, and practice > ><<File: s.scrivener.vcf>> Gunnar > >It seems to me that increasingly it is the case that the PhD is >becoming an entry qualification for university lectureship. In countries, >such as Taiwan, it is now an explicit requirement (so I am told by my >Taiwanese PhD students. At the Doctoral Education in Design conference in >2001, staff from Kyoto University commented on the fact that within 5 >years the department no faculty member will have practice experience, >although all will hold doctorates. In the UK it is not an explicit >requirement but with the RAE and everything a PhD tends to looked upon >favourably. > >If this is not one of the factors driving the discussions >about practice-based doctorates then I think it will become so in the >fulness of time. Computer Scientists, from my experience, have developed >research as a rarefied form of what they do in everyday practice; >Engineers have done the same (although industry, which needs and >recognises the intellectual abilities of doctoral staff, tends to claim >that a PhD training does not prepare them properly for exercising their >skills in the industrial setting). I think that design will have to do >likewise if the PhD is going to contribute significantly to designing. > >Steve > > > > > > > When there are not enough of those to go around, what to you think > > will be the requirement sacrificed--PhD degree, research experience, > > MFA degree, or practical experience? > Lorraine Justice, Ph.D. Director, Industrial Design Phone: 404.385.0462