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Dear all, the sunderland server problem seems more or less resolved, and so it's good to catch up on the discussion on the list. I like the brief introductions that people are posting, it's a good way to get to know the bodies of knowledge of the other subscribers, might I encourage more of you to write a few lines as to who you are? In answer to Honor and Reiner's questions, no, I hadn't posted any texts in advance of Lev Manovich's. I have since directed attention to Steve Dietz's "Why have there been no great net artists" (available at www.walkerart.org/gallery9/dietz). Any thoughts there? and yes, the assignment is designed to reference Natalie Bookchin's original homework piece... this was Vuk's suggestion. But as we're engaged in "research" not "teaching" there is no grading or marking involved. it's pass or fail based soley on participation! ;-) In answer to Vicki Mitchell's question about online educational tools, I should direct you to www.artsconnected.org - a site developed by the Walker Art Center and the Minneapolis Institute of Arts in response to government funding for curriculum development in the state of Minnesota. Portions of the site were designed by Trudy Lane, the designer of crumb. If this type of information is useful, and people have other links to suggest, we'll add a new section to crumb for new media education curators. But to turn back to our discussion of the month (and I do hope our invited participants will add their thoughts) - big media art in big media institutions... Reiner wrote, in a final parentheses: (there have to be found/realized ways to present these different aspects by showing 'net-art', i prefer to say i-art, in public places - environments where the visitor is stimulated (or at least gets the chance) to experience the quality of the pieces). and I ask in response, how is the museum different from a public place in the sense meant here? Does the museum prohibit stimulated interaction, and if so, why? does the i in "i-art" stand for intimacy rather than internet or interactive?? thanks, Sarah