Bruce I don't understand this comment. Personally I think it is important to distinguish rock names from facies names, even though we all speak rather casually about one meaning the other. You should know it's not terminology itself that I personally care about. However, I do not see why we should throw out the higher T hornfels facies just because some seem to be formed during regional metamorphism. The facies concept does not involve identification of the thermal cause, only the assemblages that are found. Yet the argument that has appeared on the net is as follows: (1) hornblende and pyroxene hornfels facies rocks are not always hornfelses, and (2) rocks of these facies are also found in regional metamorphic terranes, therefore (3) these facies names should be dropped in favor of the amphibolite and granulite facies. I am also puzzled by the statement "there are some extreme conditions of high-T, low-P contact metamorphism with no regional equivalents, in which some very distinctive assemblages are produced. The science behind why this should be the case is clearly of interest.". I think it is very evident why this is the case. The only way that regional metamophism could get to 900°C and 0.5 kbar is if the entire crust were molten, so it simply doesn't occur (except very early on in earth history?). I think it is likely that apparent regional metamorphism of 4 kbar and 700-800°C is occult contact metamorphism unless isothermal decompression during synmetamorphic unroofing is involved. eric >It is a sad comment on where Metamorphic Petrology has got to, that some of >us do not appear to read the scientific content of each other's emails any >more, we just worry about terminology. I attempted to make the scientific >point, which Jorge Julian Restrepo has also picked up on, that, although we >all agree that there are a wide range of P-T conditions in which either >classic hornfelses or apparently normal regionally metamorphosed rocks may >be produced, there are some extreme conditions of high-T, low-P contact >metamorphism with no regional equivalents, in which some very distinctive >assemblages are produced. The science behind why this should be the case is >clearly of interest. The fact that I referred in passing to Turner's >regional/honfels facies terminology, even though it was only to point out >that it was not appropriate, may perhaps be of interest to lexicographers >but it is not of scientific interest. I would like to propose that someone >sets up a separate geo-lexicography mailing list for people who want to >discuss matters of pure terminology. > >Bruce Yardley > > > >-------------------------------------------- >Professor Bruce Yardley >School of Earth Sciences >University of Leeds >Leeds LS2 9JT >UK > >Tel. 0113 233 5227 Fax 0113 233 5259 >--------------------------------------------- > >GEOFLUIDS now exists! http://www.blackwell-science.com/gfl Eric Essene Professor of Geology Department of Geological Sciences 2534 C.C. Little Bldg. 425 E. University Ave. University of Michigan Ann Arbor MI 48109-1063 USA fx: 734-763-4690 ph: 734-764-8243