Sabir, My example was done as a quick test 4 years ago and most packages are now able to get within 5%. I have more severe example which approximate some of our problems better, but this simple problem has been tested on several systems. OD= 85mm ID=6 CrossHoleDia=24 filletRad=2 Symm X,Y and Z H=50 Press=200MPa : Stress MaxPrinc MPa Boundary Element and ProMech got within 1% (tho' the latest Mechanica default settings give -2%) I have mainly looked at automated meshing as a guide to what a designer can expect. Procision, gives the worst results, even with iterative solution technique. (even worse than the -21% given by the DesignSpace5 worst setting) Regards John ------------------------------------------------------------- John Milroy Woodward Diesel Systems (was Lucas Bryce, then Delphi Diesel Systems) Fax +44 ( 0) 1242 27 7277 Hatherley Lane, Switchboard Tel 01242 27 7000 CHELTENHAM, W J Milroy Tel 01242 27 7149 Glos. ENGLAND EMail [log in to unmask] GL51 0EU NOTE TEMPORARY ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ //||/||________________________________________________ Opinions expressed are not necessarily those of my employer. ---------- From: Sabir Ahmed To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Procision evaluation Date: Monday, August 27, 2001 7:44AM Hi John, I agree that one will be severely limited on the choice of the CAD tool since I am looking at it from a designer's & a service provider's point of view. I understand that Rand is planning to release a CAD independent version of Procision - though their release schedules are not clear yet. Did you have a chance to validate your thick walled cylinder problem with another FEA solver. How far off were the results? TIA Sabir On Tue, 21 Aug 2001 18:25:00 +0200, MILROY, John <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >It only works with (inside) ProEngineer > >I tried a simple thick walled cylinder with cross hole and intersection >fillet with internal pressure and the results were terrible, even with the >new iterative solution technique. > >Apparently I may have got better results if I split the geometry into >sub-parts, but my ProE does not allow that as the Procision function to do >that calls up a surfacing license (which we do not have). > >Even if we could do it this way this seems like a hard way to do meshing (by >hand). > >Why mesh manually when ProE has the "perfect"? analysis partner in >ProMechanica which has good automeshing and adaptive P elements to give >accurate results (mostly?) > >Regards >John