----- Original Message -----From: [log in to unmask]>Steven BissellSent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 8:31 AMSubject: Re: DDT and health, was Re: Wildavsky's "Milk Room" analogyWell, I don't know, but my suspicion is that the DDT in Ceylon was *not* to control mosquitoes, but for agricultural control. I wonder if there is *any* control of mosquitoes going on. I went to school at the University of Utah in the late Pliocene. At that time U of U was the largest mosquitoes abatement research center in the world. I took classes from several mosquito guys and the rising resistance to DDT was well known. They had worked out lots of alternate methods of control, including some really clever methods of interrupting breeding cycles. If you know of any study where DDT was used *exclusively* for mosquito control, it would be interesting to see the figures. I know that the suggested application rates of DDT for mosquitoes is fairly low as compared to application rates for agricultural pests. BTW, containers of DDT use to advise applying directly to the skin of sleeping bats in order to kill them. Even the DDT folks knew, or seemed to know, that it was toxic to mammals.In case you wonder the reason U of U was a mosquito center is because of the marshes around Great Salt Lake. In the summer the mosquitoes can actually dim the sun if they are swarming.StevenWe inhabit a world of dismal success
and heroic failure.
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Subject: DDT and health, was Re: Wildavsky's "Milk Room" analogySteve B. said something the other day that I've been thinking about:SB: Mostly I agree, but comparing *benefits* to *costs* is an ethical judgment and Wildavsky doesn't treat it that way. I'm a bit surprised you raise this point. As an ethicist you're familiar with all the examples of how regardless of the benefits, some types of behavior are unacceptable. As in Strom Thurmond saying that Africans were better off as slaves in the south than free in Africa; wrong! The real issue is whether or not the risks of, say DDT, can be ethically compared to the benefits. Keep in mind that the *primary* reason for the use of DDT was not to eliminate human disease, it was to increase agricultural outputs. Feed the hungry? Sure, but also to make profits for agricultural producers. I've never seen a break down on the *exact* amount of DDT which was used to eliminate human disease out of the total amount used. Somehow I get the feeling the b/c ratio would not be so good on that one.Elizabeth Whelan reports in her book Toxic Terror the following statistics (p. 101, cite below) about the incidence of malaria in Ceylon in the DDT period and after they stopped spraying DDT:Year / Malaria cases reported in Ceylon / Comment19482,800,000 No DDT 196231 large-scale DDT program 196317 large-scale DDT program 1964150 Spraying stopped 1965308 1966499 19673,466 196816,493 (January only) 196842,161 (February only) 19681,000,000 19692,500,000 Whelan attributes the rise in malaria cases directly to the influence of Silent Spring and the move to ban DDT in the U.S. Let's assume for the sake of argument that these numbers are accurate. Was the environmental benefit worth the human cost in disease? I don't know. I doubt it.Similarly, Aynsley Kellow reports in his book, International Toxic Risk Management : "There are serious dangers in trying to reduce risk assessment of chemicals to toxicological science. One example is the EPA risk assessment for chlorinated water in Peru. Chlorine in the water supply is known, with a reasonable degree of certainty, to cause an elevated incidence of bladder cancer. Peruvian officials decided to follow the lead of the US EPA and not chlorinate the water in many wells. In an ensuing cholera epidemic more than 3500 people were saved from bladder cancer by an early death" (Kellow, p. 7; citing Christopher Anderson, "Cholera Epidemic Traced to Risk Miscalculation", Nature 354 (1991), p. 255).What are we to make of such incidents? I'm not sure. One of the things Wildavsky, Whelan, and others repeat, however, is that generally there are very few *demonstrable* public health benefits that come out of the move to ban trace amounts of toxic substances in non-occupational settings. There are very real risks involved in banning such chemicals, and sometimes the chain of causation is far clearer going the opposite way--i.e. following (some) chemical bans, the actual incidence of disease and death rises directly.Jim T.Kellow, Aynsley. International Toxic Risk Management: Ideals, Interests and Implementation. New York: Cambridge University Press, 1999.Whelan, Elizabeth M. Toxic Terror: The Truth Behind the Cancer Scares. 2d. ed. Buffalo, NY: Prometheus Books, 1993.