Perhaps members would be interested in commenting on the following: I have been contacted by a colleague who is working in a virtual working party tasked with developing BS8766 "Identification and referencing of the citizen" naming standard. This is still a concept with no specific timeframe but has been given added vitality by recent comments about a national I.D card. The concept is being driven by the I&DeA (Improvement and development agency) and their aspiration to have a National name and address database. It is also linked in with the National Electronic Electoral Rolling Register. The bottom line in all this is that citizens can inform local or central government once about e.g. a move of house or any other life event and everyone will be informed in one go. The national address convention already exists. What BS8766 aims to do is to introduce a convention for identifying a citizen. This standard is still very much in a consultative stage (smoke filled rooms). My initial comment was "Has the group had any Data Protection input" comment received was "DPA has been mentioned and the idea would be that the framework will only be put in place if citizens give consent!!" The I&DeA are being driven by Local Authorities. I am led to believe that Central Government is doing a similar thing through UK Online - somewhere, somehow the two may come together. My concern is that this process may be overlooking the requirements of the Data Protection Act. For your additional information I have reproduced a draft 'table' that covers the suggested format of recording a citizens name record and, also some "virtual working group" ideas for how citizens can be referenced locally: The groups comments re: the DP consequences of such a concept would be useful DATA ITEM: Proposed Field Name: Field Length: Mandatory Y/N: Format/comments: Unique Pupil PUPILUPN 13 N Could be used as Number identifier for school age citizens. National NATINSNO ? N Where available, and Insurance citizen permits use Number can be used as identifier, may be used in combination with other identifiers. DVLA Drivers licence number DVLALICNO ? N Where available and citzen permits use. Passport Number PASSPRTNO ? N Where available and citizen permits use. Electoral Roll Number ELEROLLNO ? N Where available and citizen permits use. Unique Tax Reference UNIQTAX ? N Where available and citizen permits use. Last Name LASTNAME 30 Y Legal last name. First Name FIRSTNAME 15 N Full first name. Other Names 25 N Any character string Date of Birth DOB 8 Y Date format ddmmyyyy other info is Gender, Former names, Ethnicity, Nationality, mother tongue, preferred language, refugee indicator, Religious affiliation, medical conditions, various property details. You get the idea! My initial thoughts go along the lines of Fairness - how will all this be obtained?, lawful - 'general identifiers' NO even if 'citizen' gives consent. Excessive - is all this required for the business purpose (is the purpose transparent?). Need I go on? Any views. Lewis Bourne Principal Information Security Officer I.C.T. Services This e-mail contains proprietary information some of which or all of which may be legally privileged. It is for the intended recipient only. If an addressing or transmission error has misdirected the e-mail, please notify the author by replying to this email. If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, disclose, distribute, copy, print or rely on this e-mail. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ If you wish to leave this list please send the command leave data-protection to [log in to unmask] All user commands can be found at : - www.jiscmail.ac.uk/user-manual/summary-user-commands.htm all commands go to [log in to unmask] not the list please! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^