Tim said "I must declare an address for response, and ideally for removal of the email address" Very generous me thinks ! Peter - in the spirit of discussion P.S./N.B. Not the only issue but I'm sure others will have something to say about renting/scanning/sufficient notification................. Peter Wilson Data Protection Officer University of Paisley >>> "Trent,Tim" <[log in to unmask]> 07/19/01 08:50am >>> In the spirit of this list, and as a discussion, let us seek to define what, for us, is the definition of SPAM, and what is legitimate direct marketing. And let us place it within the confines initially of the UK's Data Protection and other relevant legislation. To start this, I am going to hazard a scenario and a definition. This is MY personal definition for the purposes of this list, and does not reflect the views of my employer, nor of my role within my employer's business. It is a stalking horse for discussion, simply. * When I acquire an email address by whatever means including renting of lists, even including scanning websites for email contact details, I must declare within a reasonable time to the data subject that I possess this data item * The data subject, on receiving such notification may require me to take actions to protect their rights under the law * I may enclose any other correspondence with the notification that I possess the email address, AND I may use the email address (for it may be my sole data item on this data subject) to make that notification and to pass the other correspondence. Indeed the fact of the correspondence itself is sufficient notification that I possess this data item. * I must declare an address for response, and ideally for removal of the email address * Such a message is thus not SPAM, because I am fulfilling the criteria of the legislation by notifying the data subject that I have their details in a timely manner. This is despite the fact that I am also sending a message relevant to my business or their business as a part of that notification. As I stated, this is a stalking horse. It may or may not reflect the legal position and is my own opinion for the purposes of this forum. The topic has been raised in my mind by the consultancy that has raised so many hackles by offering for a fee to fill out registration forms. Over to you. _____________________________________________________________ Tim Trent Director of Database Marketing; Chief Privacy Officer EMEA > Gartner EMEA Marketing, Tamesis, The Glanty, Egham, Surrey, United Kingdom, TW20 9AW Switchboard +44 (0)1784 431 611, Direct Line +44 (0)1784 267 335, Mobile +44 (0)7710 126 618 Visit our home on the web: http://www.gartner.com Please note that my direct line has changed to +44 (0)1784 267 335. Please update your records to reflect this. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ If you wish to leave this list please send the command leave data-protection to [log in to unmask] All user commands can be found at : - www.jiscmail.ac.uk/user-manual/summary-user-commands.htm all commands go to [log in to unmask] not the list please! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Legal disclaimer -------------------------- The information transmitted is the property of the University of Paisley and is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Statements and opinions expressed in this e-mail may not represent those of the company. Any review, retransmission, dissemination and other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from any computer. -------------------------- ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ If you wish to leave this list please send the command leave data-protection to [log in to unmask] All user commands can be found at : - www.jiscmail.ac.uk/user-manual/summary-user-commands.htm all commands go to [log in to unmask] not the list please! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^