In a message dated 14/02/2001 15:35:27 GMT Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes: << Sorry to labour the point here, but you seem to be suggesting that there is a blanket exemption from the need to comply with the fair processing code for crime detection and prevention. This is not so - the exemption only applies to the extent to which compliance would prejudice the purpose of the processing. You can't justify not having signage by quoting this exemption, except in circumstances where you can clearly demonstrate that having them would prejudice this purpose. >> ----------- I don't think I am suggesting there is a blanket exemption, I think I am suggesting that in general a sign is needed but where evidence of *known* crimes is being sought, it may well prejudice the aim of collecting that evidence and therefore would qualify for the exemption. I am also saying that where no sign exists - for example where the controller does not realise they should be using them - the data could not possibly be used for any purpose other than where the exemption can be applied. The guide says so - not me: "...It may be that the particular problem identified is theft from cars in a car park. ***Following the appropriate assessment, surveillance equipment is installed but signs are not. *** [my emphasis] If the equipment co-incidentally records images relating to other criminality for example a sexual assault, it will not be inappropriate for those images to be used in the detection of that crime or in order to apprehend and prosecute the offender. However, it might be inappropriate for images so obtained to be used in civil proceedings or disciplinary proceedings eg the car park attendant is recorded committing a minor disciplinary misdemeanour. It should not be retained and used for any other purpose.... " Ian B (apologies for the repetition) Please Note: The information contained in this document does not replace or negate the need for proper legal advice and/or representation. It is essential that you do not rely upon any advice given without contacting your solicitor. If you need further explanation of any points raised please contact Keep I.T. Legal Ltd at the address below: 55 Curbar Curve Inkersall, Chesterfield Derbyshire S43 3HP (Reg 3822335) Tel: 01246 473999 Fax: 01246 470742 E-mail: [log in to unmask] Website: www.keepitlegal.co.uk Please Note: The information contained in this document does not replace or negate the need for proper legal advice and/or representation. It is essential that you do not rely upon any advice given without contacting your solicitor. If you need further explanation of any points raised please contact Keep I.T. Legal Ltd at the address below: 55 Curbar Curve Inkersall, Chesterfield Derbyshire S43 3HP (Reg 3822335) Tel: 01246 473999 Fax: 01246 470742 E-mail: [log in to unmask] Website: www.keepitlegal.co.uk ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ If you wish to leave this list please send the command leave data-protection to [log in to unmask] All user commands can be found at : - www.jiscmail.ac.uk/user-manual/summary-user-commands.htm all commands go to [log in to unmask] not the list please! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^