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Whilst I don't intend to get into a shouting match on an issue which is
probably only of borderline interest to the readership of this list, I think
this is somewhat misleading. No ISP which has a direct connection to all
other ISPs worldwide. There will thus be a number of relaying servers, as I
suggested in my original posting. Each of these will have a number (which
may be large) of administrative staff who can access email passing through.
Whilst I acknowledge that in the general course of events email is only
resident on these servers for a short while, there is absolutely nothing to
stop it being intercepted, copied to be read at leisure, edited, forwarded
to other person(s) etc. etc. Many of these activities will be completely
undetectable by the original sender or recipient. There are also other
weaknesses in the delivery mechanism of email which are beyond the scope of
this list.

The age-old analogy of a postcard is still relevant. A postcard will go from
the initial post-box or out-tray, through a number of sorting offices,
eventually (hopefully) to be delivered to its final recipient. The
possibility exists of someone at any stage of delivery (a) stealing it, (b)
photocopying it, (c) altering it, etc.

Tim

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Tim M. Wright
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                -----Original Message-----
                From:   Chris Bayliss [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
                Sent:   02 October 2001 15:29
                To:     [log in to unmask]
                Cc:     [log in to unmask]
                Subject:        Re: Security Issues


                Whilst it may be common practice in your company to allow
hundreds or
                thousands of folk administrative access to your mail
servers, this
                certainly does not reflect the level of vulnerability of
email on most
                of the rest of the Internet.

                Typically the message goes from the sender's PC to their
company's mail
                server then to their ISP's server - the message then passed
to the
                receiving ISP's server, then company server then PC.  There
are
                variations - small companies may send direct to ISP and
larger ones won't
                use the ISP server.

                In each case, unless the people running the systems are
particularly lax about
                security, email could only potentially be read by the few
people who have
                sufficient access to maintain that server, not hundreds or
thousands of
                folk.  Furthermore, on many relaying servers messages will
only be present
                for a fraction of a second, or perhaps a few minutes,
allowing little
                opportunity to read them.

                This is probably as few as if not fewer than the number of
people
                who typically handle a letter, when taking into account all
the stages in
                collection and delivery in a typical organisation.

                >
                > Apologies if grandmothers and eggs are relevant at this
point.
                >

                Old wives and tales would probably be more relevant.

                Chris Bayliss




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