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See L. Ettlinger, The Sistine chapel before Michelangelo; also c. Lewine, The Sistine chapel & the Roman liturgy. Tom Izbicki At 09:29 AM 11/21/2000 -0500, you wrote: >It's hard to be enthusiastic about the conception of the theologian as art >critic, or as a a person who directly influences art. There were no medieval >Clement Greenbergs. You might, however, find fruitful ground studying >theologians as patrons of the arts. Although the Renaissance is too late for >your purposes, it would have had a different coloration without the patronage >of Pope Julius II. But then there's the work commissioned by Suger at St. >Denis. And if you study, say, the history of the Sistine Chapel, you'll find >it was decorated in phases, and each phase reflects the tastes and ideas of >the pope of that day. > >pat sloane > >In a message dated 11/20/00 5:38:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, >[log in to unmask] writes: > > > Thank you very much Jim for succinct reply. You said that "theologians in > > western > > Europe never interested themselves very directly or systematically with >art > > and > > images, as was very much the case in the Byzantine east"; which I to >certain > > degree agree; however there was a special pattern of development of > > religious art > > in the Middle Ages. Surely some form of learned influence on the > content of > > Art > > exists. I assume that the form of "popular religion" had more influence. > > Certainly Voragine's Golden Legend played an important part, but I wonder >if > > there > > are other minor works which equally had influence. I also like to think >that > > exegetes > > played also important role in influencing the content of religious art. I > > appreciate > > any thoughts or examples. > > > > G Butrous > > > > [log in to unmask] wrote: > > > > > It may be a simple question ! > > > > > > I want to compile a list of theologians who > > > influenced the progress and the shape of the Medieval art, any help? > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > Ghazwan Butrous > > > Canterbury UK > > > > >>>You should certainly include Gregory the Great. There have been > > several recent articles in the journal, Word & Image, on his writings > > about art. St Bernard, too, should be included, and although the > > consensus no longer makes of him a theologian, Abbot Suger might be > > included anyway, just because of his writings that survive. Conrad > > Rudolph has written books on both St Bernard and Suger, and in the > > latter, he discusses, as well, Hugh of St Victor, who should also be > > on your list. And although difficult to pinpoint exactly as the > > author of the Libri Carolini, Theodulf of Orleans should probably be > > there, too. To my knowledge, however, theologians in western Europe > > never interested themselves very directly or systematically with art > > and images, as was very much the case in the Byzantine east. That > > probably explains the relative lack of works treating your subject, > > although Etienne Gilson has, I believe, written on it, as, of > > course, has Umberto Eco, and the bibliography in his Art and Beauty > > in the Middle Ages would certainly suggest other theologians you > > might include. There are lots of theologians, such as St Thomas > > Aquinas, who provide lots of material for contemporary gleaners of > > aesthetic theory but who, arguably, did not do a great deal in their > > time to influence or shape the direction of medieval art, and I would > > particularly point out Vincent of Beauvais in this category; whatever > > his role in shaping art, he was made far more of than he deserved by > > Didron, Emile Male, etc., in the 19th century. > > Cheers, > > Jim Bugslag>>>> > > > > > > %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%