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Thank you Lisa for that wonderful diagnosis of IF and the South African link to Jameson of the ill-fated Jameson raid. I wonder how things would have turned out in Africa IF he had succeeded. IF only!, or What IF! Hello there John, you're supposed to take your wife/partner on holiday with you, not your computer. You are right about IF being on the Kipling site, but 'IF' I am not mistaken the poems are only accessible to members?!! I have received a request for an Italian version of IF, which I have supplied, but I do not have a German translation. Does anyone on the list have a German version to save me searching? The Turkish translation will be a welcome addition to the list. Here is the request: *********************** Dear Ron Clibborn-Dyer, I was very happy to receive your last massage. I was interested in getting Italian and German translations for this beloved poem IF. Can you send me the italian translation. If interested I can provide you with the Turkish translation. Best regards, haluk hamamci ankara turkey ********************** I must find out if IF has been translated into Chinese or Japanese - Does anyone know IF ?!! Best wishes from Ron in Hong Kong, 'China crost the Bay' ********************************************************* %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%