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Leslie, Thanx for putting the techniques with these names. I agree with you on your last sentence.... Uni is where you learn the basics, and where everything starts. However, I am just critical in that I believe one should offer students the opportunity to look beyond their work at uni, and provide with at least the option of learning different concepts apart from Maitland. Isn't it weird that good techniques such as Mulligans, Mckenzie and a lot of muscle energy techniques are from people who come from New Zealand??!! Is it that there training offers them more incentive to think for themselves?? Or is it something that they are eating(laugh!)?? My boss is a kiwi (ie, New Zealander) and he brags on and on about how great Kiwi Physiotherapists are... and I am starting to believe him as well!! Physiotherapy has come a long way and everybody around the world has contributed to its growth, and it is up to us to continue this growth into the future!! Henry*** >From: Leslie Nicholson <[log in to unmask]> >Reply-To: [log in to unmask] >To: [log in to unmask] >Subject: RE: evidence based practice... >Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 12:46:12 +1000 > >Dear Henry, >Just because you dont recognise the guru's surname doesn't mean that you >don' know "their" treatments >Elvy = Brachial Plexus Tension Test -the "original" >Butler = More of the same - more nerves / more techniques >Edwards = combined movements >All these guys are Australian (Aussie, Aussie, Aussie Oy, Oy ,Oy). I don't >think any of them aimed to have their names attached to their techniques >but to provide the profession with more options, all of which need to be >subjected to scientific rigor. >Your learning only BEGINS at uni........... >Leslie > >At 23:07 17/10/00 +0000, you wrote: > >Dear Nikki, > > > >I am totally amazed by the extent of knowledge you give your students, > >because I believe it is up to them to decide what combination of >techniques > >they will use. Some of the concepts on the list I have never heard of.. >such > >as Elvry, Edwards, Butler... I just wish I went through something like >that > >in my undergraduate days!! > > > >Henry*** > > > > > >>From: [log in to unmask] > >>Reply-To: [log in to unmask] > >>To: [log in to unmask] > >>Subject: RE: evidence based practice... > >>Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 14:44:07 +0100 > >> > >>Dear Henry > >> > >>Fear not!! > >> > >>At the School of Healthcare Professions, University of Brighton, England >we > >>teach concepts from Maitland, McKenzie, Mulligan, Edwards, Elvey, >Butler, > >>Travell & Simons, Jull, Richardson, Hodges, Hides, Kaltenborn, Cyriax to > >>undergraduate physiotherapy students. > >> > >>We teach the clinical reasoning put forward by Maitland which is >described > >>theoretically by Jones. > >> > >>We teach examination, assessment, treatment and management of joints, > >>nerves > >>and muscles. > >> > >>I think you may well find this to be true at other Schools of >Physiotherapy > >>throughout the UK. > >> > >>Radical or what?! > >> > >>Nikki > >> > >>Nikki Petty MSc, Grad Dip Manip Ther, MCSP, MMPAA, MMACP > >>Senior Lecturer and Course Leader for MSc Manipulative Physiotherapy > >>School of Healthcare Professions > >>University of Brighton > >>Robert Dodd Building > >>49 Darley Road > >>Eastbourne > >>BN20 7UR > >> > >> > >>Telephone 01273 643775 > >>Fax 01273 643652 > >>e mail [log in to unmask] > >> > >> > >> > ---------- > >> > From: Henry Tsao > >> > Reply To: [log in to unmask] > >> > Sent: Monday, October 16, 2000 22:48 > >> > To: [log in to unmask] > >> > Subject: RE: evidence based practice... > >> > > >> > David, > >> > > >> > You do not learn these at the university level, but pursue this after > >>you > >> > graduate through courses and continual education. The only reason why >I > >> > refer to these techniques as radical is because for a graduate who >went > >> > through the "Maitland approach," Mulligan and McKenzie offers me a > >> > different > >> > way of thinking about the human body, and I could only be saddened >that > >> > students are not been taught this. I know a few of my friends who >went > >> > through uni who still believe that Maitland is the answer, and wonder > >>why > >> > they don't get the success that so many of us have using a >combination > >>of > >> > techniques. > >> > > >> > Henry*** > >> > > >> > >From: David <[log in to unmask]> > >> > >Reply-To: [log in to unmask] > >> > >To: "[log in to unmask]" <[log in to unmask]> > >> > >Subject: RE: evidence based practice... > >> > >Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 12:27:17 +0100 > >> > > > >> > >Henry > >> > > > >> > >Although South African trained, I am working in the UK and have >worked > >> > >with or been associated with numerous physios from OZ. Almost >without > >> > >exception, they have all used elements of Maitland, Mulligan, soft > >> > >tissue work akin to Travell and Simons, rehab and very little > >> > >electrotherapy . > >> > > > >> > >Where are they learning these 'radical' techniques if not in >Australia? > >> > > > >> > >dave riddell > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > From: Henry Tsao [SMTP:[log in to unmask]] > >> > > > Sent: 16 October 2000 11:43 > >> > > > To: [log in to unmask] > >> > > > Subject: evidence based practice... > >> > > > > >> > > > Recently, since I have joined the mailbase, I have found myself > >> > > > searching > >> > > > for research and looking for answers behind what I am actually > >>doing. > >> > > > I have > >> > > > continued to question my work. From what I know, it seems that > >> > > > everybody is > >> > > > interested in evidence based practice. > >> > > > > >> > > > However, I was talking to Megan Dalton, who is a well known > >> > > > physiotherapist > >> > > > in Australia early last week. She is a very out spoken Physio and >a > >> > > > very > >> > > > interesting physio to talk to (I have seen her talk in 2 >occasions, > >> > > > and she > >> > > > just has so much energy!!). She told me that it seemed ridiculous > >>that > >> > > > > >> > > > Physiotherapy departments in Australia don't teach Mulligan's, > >> > > > Mckenzie and > >> > > > other radical techniques, for the pure reason that there is not > >>enough > >> > > > > >> > > > evidence. However, (and I know that this is true for me) they >teach > >>so > >> > > > much > >> > > > electrotherapy, most of which does not have too much research >anyway > >> > > > (due > >> > > > mostly to the difficulty of these techniques), and this seemed >very > >> > > > ironical > >> > > > to her and to me also. > >> > > > > >> > > > Megan perceived the future of physiotherapy to be with little or >no > >> > > > electrotherapy (which to me is a very big step), and I just >wanted > >>to > >> > > > ask > >> > > > what people in this mailbase thought about this claim. To let >people > >> > > > know, > >> > > > the electro I use is a Likon, ultrasound, at time the >interferential > >> > > > (which > >> > > > I do not use too often these days), and very rarely the magnetic > >>wave. > >> > > > I > >> > > > tried to search for research the other day, but obviously was > >>limited > >> > > > in > >> > > > what I found. any thoughts or ideas?? > >> > > > > >> > > > Henry*** > >> > > > > >>______________________________________________________________________ > >> > > > ___ > >> > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > >> > > > http://www.hotmail.com. > >> > > > > >> > > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile >at > >> > > > http://profiles.msn.com. > >> > > >> > > >>_________________________________________________________________________ > >> > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > >>http://www.hotmail.com. > >> > > >> > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > >> > http://profiles.msn.com. > >> > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > >http://profiles.msn.com. > > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. 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