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Francine: Do you mean that the particular text you cite is considered a forgery, or that the bull itself is thought never to have existed? I've read the argument for the latter, and haven't been very impressed. John Watt makes a good argument that the bull Laudabiliter was indeed issued in 1155. It seems hard to make sense of Henry II's church-reforming efforts when he got to Ireland without it, or to understand the O Neill Remonstrance. It is also peculiar that the papacy has never disowned Laudabiliter, if it is indeed a forgery. I'd like to hear your take on the matter. Phyllis >> From: emrys [SMTP:[log in to unmask]] >> >> Does anyone know if the papal letter "Laudabiliter" which is apparently >> the one issued by, I think Hadrian (Nicholas Breakspear) to Henry II >> blessing the conquest of ireland, is online anywhere? >> > The following site is mostly polemic, but the text of laudabiliter >(which is generally thought to be a forgery) is cited at: > > http://www.techplus.com/bkjv1611/bd0115.htm > > Francine Phyllis G. Jestice [log in to unmask] %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%