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Hi, thanks to all for helping wiht the Ordo Romanus XV, your info was great. Can anyone tell me where I can find legitimate information on the imfamous "groping chair" or sedes Stercoraria, in Latin. The only info I can find is from very anti-catholic web pages, and my book "Sex Lives of the Popes," which I have found to have erroneous information in it. I"m looking for original sources on the subject. One Felix Haemerlain, "writing in 1490" wrote a description of this chair and procedure, but I'd like to see the original text if that's possible. Any help would be most appreciated. Thanks, WEndy Reardon Pope Joan II %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%