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It might be worth checking Agostino Patrizzi's ceremonial book for the papacy, reprinted by Gregg reprints about 25 years ago. Tom Izbicki At 09:05 AM 4/30/2000 -0500, Stan Metheny wrote: >A small clarification may be of use in your search. Once the De Profundis >settled into a 'slot' in the 'official' formularies of the Roman rite, it >was not part of the formulary for the funeral Mass itself but rather of the >funeral rites (wake, vigil, procession) and/or the Office of the Dead used >on the evening and morning prior to the funeral Mass itself. More often than >not, these appeared in different books than the texts for the Mass. >Obviously, as has been noted, local and religious order usages varied >greatly from the 'official' Roman rite so it is possible that one may find >it in some variant formularies for the Mass itself. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "JJ.reardon" <[log in to unmask]> >To: <[log in to unmask]> >Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2000 8:58 AM >Subject: De Profundis for Popes? > > >> The de Profundis was said in funeral masses, but does anyone know if it >was >> said in the funeral mass of a pope? >> >> Aside from "Deathbed Ceremonies of a Pope" in Ordo Romanus XV, I'm not >aware >> of any text of a funeral mass of a pope, either medieval or modern. (Can't >> get The Pope's Body by Bagalioni till June 1, so I don't know if my answer >> may be in there). >> >> Can anyone help? >> >> Thanks in advance >> >> Wendy Reardon >> PJII >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Bill East <[log in to unmask]> >> To: <[log in to unmask]> >> Cc: <[log in to unmask]> >> Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2000 5:52 AM >> Subject: De Profundis (3) >> >> >> > De Profundis (3) >> > >> > Neale now begins his detailed commentary with verse 1: >> > >> > Out of the deep have I called unto thee, O Lord, Lord, hear my voice. >> > >> > [Neale indicates his authorities by sigla in the margin. The following >> > paragraph bears the siglum A, indicating that it is taken from >> > Augustine - no doubt the Enarrationes in Psalmos. There is also a >> > mention of "Hugo Card." which I cannot find explained in Neale's >> > apparatus.] >> > >> > "This Psalm, eleventh in number of the Graduals, sixth of the >> > Penitentials, and consisting of eight verses, is meant to teach us, >> > they say, that no man can so live throughout the perfect time of his >> > working life here, denoted by the six week-days of creation, as not to >> > transgress the moral law of God laid down in the Decalogue, and so to >> > pass on to eleven, the symbol of evil; but that by persevering in >> > penitential supplication to God, the sinner may reach at last that >> > octave of the Resurrection, when Christ shall redeem Israel from all >> > his sins." >> > >> > Oriens. >> > >> > ____________________________________________________________ >> > Do You Yahoo!? >> > Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk >> > or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie >> > > %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%