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Denis Hüe wrote: >Thanks to Christopher Crockett and his delighting french... my delighting french is Standard Southern Indiana French, which good enough coiné for this list, being thoroughly colloquial. >(as funny as my english, I presume). nonsense. you've not lost your amateur standing. >Anyhow, I think the borde portable could be found in many regions. seems like a good idea would spread all over the berger network. >a 16th century illumination from the region of Rouen shows it (http://www.uhb.fr/alc/medieval/berger.jpg) you need a space at the end of your url to make it "hot," otherwise the ")" becomes part of it: (http://www.uhb.fr/alc/medieval/berger.jpg ) quite an interesting text and illustration, which i'd appreciate some explication with. as best i can make out (not much, obviously), the text runs: Chant royal ou diuin pouoir En maniere de bergerie Parle auec l['?]ame [laine?] de marie Comme pourres appercenoir Ensuyuant de moyse les dicts Au pseaulme quatre vingts dix Below, an angel leads Mary by the hand, showing her a compound scene with two groups of soldiers (?) in the background, one of which apparently enjoys the warmth of the "soleil de diuine iustice"; and, in the foregound, a flock of feeding sheep with part of some kind of wheeled vehicle --perhaps one of our borde mobiles, but, if so, a pretty fancy one, complete with a nice pitched roof, (gilded??) polygonal apse and blind tracery. all of which means nothing to me. >and the Seine region is not as plain as the Beauce. evidently, if the shepherds of that region could afford to tour the countryside in fancy Winnebegoes [a brand of giant, luxurious "motor homes" http://www.winnebagoind.com/ ] like the one depicted in your ms. >I think it must have been a general fashion. beats living under the stars, i would imagine. >I've an another borde in a "livre d'heures" from rouen, 16th c. is it as luxurious as the other one? in any event, it is the mystical implications of these vehicles --so clearly demonstrated in the ms illumination-- which makes this a fitting subject for this list. finally, for what it's worth, "cabanne" or some variant thereof is used in modern colloquial Chartrain to denote a modest house built of wood (as opposed to one of stone, brick or tile). best from here, christopher ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%