Christopher, valiant defender of the Midwest, fights back: >>Well, OK, if the soil is anything like my Michigan clay (aka concrete), >>I agree tilling is a curse. >This is: > >1) a slander upon the wonderfully rich, loamy, near-paradisical >truck-gardening soils enjoyed by most right-thinking Michiganders --leastwise >*Southern* Michiganders (those between Indianer and the Very Edge of >Civilisation in Michigan [Kalamazoo]), a province which i've enjoyed touring >through every spring for over 20 years on my way to the Great Hobbknobbing Far be it from me to insult my beautiful native state, where many people have lovely gardens (I hope to join them) and home to the wonderful Kzoo conference. Btw, I grew up in southwestern Michigan, so I know your route to Kzoo well. Unfortunately, my area is also home to greedy developers who have figured out they can bulldoze off that wonderful topsoil and sell it for beaucoup $$$, leaving only the clay underneath when naive people like my husband and me purchase their land. Live and learn. However, anyone interested in a field trip when they're in Michigan for the Kzoo conference should consider a trek to the MSU campus. Our gardens and grounds are known for their beauty, particularly in May when everything's blooming. There are some advantages to starting out as an agricultural school. Best, Carol -------------------- Augustine, to Truth: Your best servant is the one who does not attend so much to hearing what he himself wants as to willing what he has heard from you. Confessions, Book X %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%