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Back to questions about St. Joseph-- Yes, I believe there are plenty of Nativity creche scenes to allow for assessment of depictions of Joseph. One problem, however, seems to be that there is no precise and tidy evolution of portrayals of Joseph. One can find contemporaneous artists who depict Joseph as elderly and feeble, and young and virile. Images of Joseph are too complex to allow us to say, for example, that he was derided in the twelfth century and respected in the fourteenth. This is out of my field, however. I believe there are several art historians who are studying images of Joseph, among them Pamela Sheingorn. Chara Armon >Are there enough early examples of Nativity creche scenes (something I >have seen tied to Francis) to assess how Joseph is depicted in them? > >Tom Izbicki > >On Wed, 2 Feb 2000, Chara Armon wrote: > >> Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 23:45:41 -0500 (EST) >> From: Chara Armon <[log in to unmask]> >> Reply-To: [log in to unmask] >> To: [log in to unmask] >> Subject: Francis and Joseph >> >> Dear Cyprian and others, >> Yes, it does seem as though St. Francis never makes direct reference to >> Joseph. I have, however, seen an obscure reference which suggested that >> Francis was devoted to a painting or icon which depicted Mary, Jesus, and >> Joseph, and which is extant somewhere in Toscana. Does this ring a bell >> with anyone? >> >> Chara >> >> >> >Dear Chara, >> > >> > Welcome to the list. You've chosen an interesting topic. >> > >> > As you have no doubt discovered, St. Francis never mentions St. Joseph. >> >I do think that the focus he help to bring on the human side of Christ >> >caused people to focus more on the whole Family of Jesus, hence greater >> >interest in Joseph. >> > >> > Please keep us posted. >> > >> >Cyprian Rosen >> > >> >----- Original Message ----- >> >From: "Chara Armon" <[log in to unmask]> >> >To: <[log in to unmask]> >> >Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2000 8:26 PM >> >Subject: New Member - Chara Armon >> > >> > >> >> I am a graduate student in medieval and Renaissance History at Cornell >> >> University in Ithaca, New York. The topic of my dissertation is the rise >> >> of devotion to St. Joseph in the later Middle Ages and Renaissance, >> >> particularly in Italy. My research currently focuses on Franciscan >> >> writings on St. Joseph. I intend also to explore the ways in which the >> >> development of Joseph's cult seems to be linked to changing >>definitions of >> >> paternity, the family, and gender roles in the fourteenth and fifteenth >> >> centuries. My interests beyond my dissertation topic center around the >> >> relationship between religious belief and practice, but also include the >> >> history of the family, theology, and pedagogy. >> >> >> >> I would be grateful to know if any list members are aware of other >> >scholars >> >> working on topics related to St. Joseph. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%