So here are my projected "Big Ten", in chronological order. Would they | be yours? Who should be out and who should be in? As always, I value | your kindly and scholarly opinions. | Bill: I like the course, though it seems to be to have a very strong western slant. If you are going to do something on the Faith of the fathers, it seems appropriate to do a bit of looking eastwards. And in fact, it will help your students understand much of the Latin boys, as well. I would suggest: 1. Origen 2. Athanasius 3. the Cappadocians 4. Jerome (whose 'originality' lies mainly in paying attention to the East) 5. Ambrose (who drew much from the East, and again a much undervalued source) 6. Augustine 7. Cassian and/or Cassiodorus 8. Boethius (an absolute must, in terms of theological development -- he's overlooked way too much ) 9. Benedict 10. Gregory I I personally would delete Leo (whose press is bigger than he was), in order to talk about either Cassian or Cassiodorus (or both!). I don't buy the father Benard thing myself. Certainly a huge influence in western theology (including 16th cent. reformers), but I don't see him on par with early church thinkers (nor treated as such by later theologians -- but perhaps I am misinformed on this point). The same goes for Anselm: these two were part of a 'new generation' of theologians, who helped to configure the medieval use of patristic sources, but are not patristic sources themselves, pace Migne. I suppose I see awarding Bernard a patristics Oscar bears more of an idealogical mark, than a historical one -- but note that I write this on an early Monday morning: I could just be cranky :-). The configuration really depends on your intentions: is it faith as practice and expression (which seems to me require a lot of attention paid to ascetic practice, etc). or the content of faith? If the latter, then somebody like Benedict does not necessarily demand pride of place. I am not demeaning the father of the Benedictines by saying this (his religious and historical importance is unquestionable), rather I am just pointing out that he makes no signfiicant contribution to the development of doctrine and theological method. It is possible to conflate the two intentions (which provides a wonderful way of structuring the introductory lecture, helping your students see the distinction): I suppose I would consider in such a short course how successfuly you can be at doing both. Nice to see continuing ed maintaining some high standards in York. Cheers Jim ===================================================================== Dr James R Ginther Dept. of Theology and Religious Studies University of Leeds Leeds LS2 9JT UK E-mail: [log in to unmask] Phone: +44.113.233.6749 Fax: +44.113.233.3654 -=*=- http://www.leeds.ac.uk/trs/ (Theology and Religious Studies, Leeds) http://www.leeds.ac.uk/cms/ (Centre for Medieval Studies, Leeds) http://www.leeds.ac.uk/trs/rg (The Electronic Grosseteste) ==================================================================== "First up ther wor nobbut God. An 'e said, "Ee, lad, turn th'bloody light on." -Yorkshire paraphase of Gen. 1.2 %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%