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Bruce: I am not sure if the following will help, but you may wish to peruse some online proceedings for the Winter Simulation Conference, which has many researchers who are focusing on verification, validation and accreditation. In fact, Osman Balci is track chair for this area for the 2000 Conference in Orlando: http://www.wintersim.org -> "WSC'97 ... Papers Now On-Line" The 2000 papers will show up here as well, but probably not until next August. -paul ------------------------------------- Paul Fishwick, University of Florida CISE Department, Bldg. CSE 301 PO Box 116120 Gainesville, FL 32611 web: http://www.cise.ufl.edu/~fishwick email: [log in to unmask] phone + fax: (352) 392-1414 => -----Original Message----- => From: [log in to unmask] => [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Bruce Edmonds => Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 4:31 AM => To: SimSoc Mailing List => Subject: Re: on modeling and social science => => => My paper criticised situations where abstractions are played with that => are never connected with real problems/domains/practice. This => discussion has been a prime example of this. Where is the verification => or validation of all this philosophy in the practice of actual social => simulation? => => It is notable that the philosophy of science has very much moved towards => describing how science etc. is *actually* done rather than merely => arguing about metaphysics. => => If you are going to philosophise, please: => => 1. Read up on the existing philosophy first (a good pragmatic => introduction is Giere, R, "Explaining science : a cognitive approach", => University of Chicago Press 1988) => => 2. Think how the philosophy would actually either be testable or => helpful to anyone. If it is neither it is useless! => => => Regards. => => -------------------------------------------------- => Bruce Edmonds, => Centre for Policy Modelling, => Manchester Metropolitan University, Aytoun Bldg., => Aytoun St., Manchester, M1 3GH. UK. => Tel: +44 161 247 6479 Fax: +44 161 247 6802 => http://www.cpm.mmu.ac.uk/~bruce => %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%