Hello Scott,
This is snake oil you'rr selling here. Philip take no notice. The
first list: ' poets who talk most about L= poetry' is not reliable: if Stead
ever has it is has been to mock it. (or do you mean we 'pursue a right
wing politics?). See my previous email. The next list is not very
helpful to you other than it is about as disparate a bunch as you could
wish. Te Kooti: there's never been a published collection of his
writings--I wish there had been. That he is a poet is an invention of
Leigh Davis.
Scott, since you are now connecting the University of Auckland
English Department with poets who you say did (or did not in
Michele's case) lock their doors while your mates got their heads
cracked a couple of blocks away in the University Admin. building,
and some people will know I work in the English Department, let me
just say to all members of this list that the insinuations are malicious,
unjust and have no basis in fact.
Wystan
>
>
> "This is very interesting. I have been New Zealand
> Poetry with great
> interest in the last weeks, and would appreciate any
> recommendations and
> references. Who are the poets that you mean?"
>
> Wystan Curnow, Leigh Davis, John Geraets, and CK
> Stead, for starters. Want to stress that I have no
> problem with these poets personally - in fact I don't
> even really know them as people - and that I find some
> of their work interesting.
>
>
> Five NZ poets to look at:
>
> Kendrick Smithyman, Charles Spear, Te Kooti, Richard
> Taylor, and Andrew Johnston. Have no idea why I chose
> exactly that list off the top of my head, but there
> you go. If you can't track any of those names down,
> let me know, and I'll give you a hand. Ditto for any
> other stuff you're interested in.
>
> "What are Michele Leggott's politics?"
>
> I don't know her personally, though of course I know
> her work,so I can't really give a definitive answer,
> but she was one of the few members of the English
> department at Auckland University who tried to do
> anything to support us last year when the police
> stormed onto campus at 5am, broke up a peaceful
> student sit-in/occupation which had begun the previous
> afternoon, and beat up and arrested a whole lot of my
> friends (I was lucky - I'd nipped out for a few (quite
> a few) beers!). As far as I know, Michelle made
> successful efforts to secure a place in the local
> daily paper for a critique of the police actions, and
> of the University administration that urged them. I
> don't remember the name of the person who wrote it,
> but it was a timely show of support.
>
> "It would be also to think about what the
> right-wingedness of its NZ
> aficionados does to LangPo's theories regarding "the
> politics of poetic
> form" -- namely, that form is inherently and
> ineluctably political, either
> progressive or conservative."
>
> Whoa! What a huge Q...think I'lkl have to go away and
> nut this out. I may well agree with you, with
> reservations.
>
> All the best with your investigations,
> Scott
>
>
>
> What are Michele Leggott's politics?
>
>
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> At 01:15 PM 7/17/00 -0700, Scott Hamilton wrote:
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> >In NZ,
> >many of the poets who talk most about the Language
> >Poets pursue a right-wing politics, or else valourise
> >a disastrous apathy.
>
> This is very interesting. I have been New Zealand
> Poetry with great
> interest in the last weeks, and would appreciate any
> recommendations and
> references. Who are the poets that you mean?
>
> What are Michele Leggott's politics?
>
> It would be also to think about what the
> right-wingedness of its NZ
> aficionados does to LangPo's theories regarding "the
> politics of poetic
> form" -- namely, that form is inherently and
> ineluctably political, either
> progressive or conservative.
>
> Philip
>
>
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> "Why is it not possible for me to doubt that I have never been on the moon? And how
> could I try to doubt it? First and foremost, the supposition that perhaps I have
> been there would strike me as idle. Nothing would follow from it, nothing be
> explained by it. It would not tie in with anything in my life... Philosophical
> problems occur when language goes on holiday. We must not separate ideas from life,
> we must not be misled by the appearances of sentences: we must investigate the
> application of words in individual language-games" - Ludwig Wittgenstein
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