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somebody wrote: "And while I am waiting for the kettle to boil for my coffee I would add that I think WAllace Stevens and Elizabeth Bishop belong more to the intellectuals than to the poets, although they were poets on occasion." Who decided on these two warring and irreconciliable tribes, poets and intellectuals? Can't one be both? Were Eliot, Pound, Coleridge, Goethe etc etc not intellectuals? What exactly is an intellectual, anyway? I find this distinction a bit puzzling...I've always been attracted to Silliman's dictum that a poet today 'must be a theoretician as well as a poet'. Or David Antin: 'If Robert Lowell was a poet I don't want to be a poet if Socrates was a poet I'll think about it" Cheers Scott Hamilton PS i haven't read the whole of the thread I'm responding to so forgive me if I have the wrong end of the stick... X-Apparently-To: [log in to unmask] via web804.mail.yahoo.com X-Track: 1: 40 Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 10:34:39 +0100 (BST) Address: 69 Hillcrest Drive, Bath, Somerset, BA2 1HD, UK Phone: 01225-427104 Email: [log in to unmask] Home_page: http://www.bath.ac.uk/~exxdgdc Lynx_magazine: http://www.bath.ac.uk/~exxdgdc/lynx.html Subject: Re: In some agreement but not with Mairead From: Douglas Clark <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] X-Unsub: To leave, send text 'leave poetryetc' to [log in to unmask] Reply-To: [log in to unmask] Sender: [log in to unmask] And while I am waiting for the kettle to boil for my coffee I would add that I think WAllace Stevens and Elizabeth Bishop belong more to the intellectuals than to the poets, although they were poets on occasion. The same could be said of Sidney Graham. ===== "Why is it not possible for me to doubt that I have never been on the moon? And how could I try to doubt it? First and foremost, the supposition that perhaps I have been there would strike me as idle. Nothing would follow from it, nothing be explained by it. It would not tie in with anything in my life... Philosophical problems occur when language goes on holiday. We must not separate ideas from life, we must not be misled by the appearances of sentences: we must investigate the application of words in individual language-games" - Ludwig Wittgenstein __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%