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Hi Alison, you wrote:- > It's not the dislike of Yeats, it's the reductiveness in the argument > you're presenting. Maybe you could quote some Jameson on Yeats to > elucidate the subtleties. Days ago, I made a comment to Doug on the greater enthusiasm in his post being for the swimmer Thorpe rather than the ostensible subject, the bard Yeats. You are welcome to comment on anything said at poetryetc, but as the comment wasn't directed your way, your triple exclamation mark query and this now longish thread seem a bit unwarranted. Back channel is always an option... However, given what Candice just posted, please contact Fredric Jameson via Candice Ward. Fredric Jameson writes largely on the politics of novelists and occasionally Language poetry. I'm not interested in yammering about later Yeats with you front channel. Largely because I'm not that interested in later Yeats these days, though it should be clear that I'm not entirely unread in the area. As for Marxian literary critical approaches, you might be better off reading Jameson and Althusser and Macherey rather than my at best potted accounts of their thinking. My dislike of "Long Legged Fly" dates back to Year 12 English Literature in secondary school - it's not a poem that succeeds in poetic terms to my mind, and it wasn't 15 years ago on first encounter. I didn't write on it then, and I don't propose to write an essay on it now. respectfully Hugh %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%