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Ah -- it's been pointed out to me that I'm confusing formalism with New Formalism . . . so I'm not sure if my thoughts on this issue are still pertinent to Joseph's original post. I'm still left wondering though whether poetry is not so much the new rock 'n' roll but the new Freemasonry. Poems being the funny handshakes by which we recognise one another. And a complete mystery to those uninitiated in the Craft. What are the options? Any? Is poetry a lost cause within a culture nurtured on visual stimuli . . . destined for other poets only? Andy %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%