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Joseph wrote: "...but I have to admit that as a poetry editor, when I see a poem center justified I know for a fact without reading a word that it is written by someone who has read almost no poetry, but for whom this arrangement _says_ poetry." Hi Joseph, If I were editing new work by new writers I'd be wary too of center-set copy. However, in the case of poets whose credentials are already clear I've got no problem with their choice to center-set their lines; Michael McClure and Hafiz for example. And I've learned to appreciate the staggered lines of poets like Larry Eigner and William Carlos Williams. Was a time in my youth when my copy was all over the page. It was a part of exploration and growth. For the most part my lines are flush-left anymore but not always. If the work doesn't stand as a poem the devices are easy to spot. Mine or anyone else's. best -fp *************** Frank Parker [log in to unmask] http://now.at/frankshome %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%