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----- Original Message ----- From: <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2000 8:29 PM Subject: Re: Bizzare! (in the french) and the indeterminate- > I think rather that philosophy has been attempting, with various degrees > of success, to replace poetry, although perhaps both are these days > rather cowed by science. Exactly, Alison. What seems, according to my dim lights, is that the language of philosophy, somewhat pushed towards homelessness by predictive science, and its kudos it forecasting eclipses and making electricity, has invaded the nearest possible poor relation, i.e. the most threadbare sister of the muses, poetica. And as our culture has split poetry into something that , as a 'serious' consideration, has to be mediated by a 'cold' pseudo-technical language, replete with airy references to this commentator that, the art itself is being simultaneously buried (it's so nice to get attention) by a language that is amenable to academic promotion prospects, on the one, dithering, hand, and a false broad give-me-grant populism on the other. In either case, its reception is being swallowed up by languages of control. (re Daniel's problem with his messages - when I first set up this the pc formed the reply to Alison's address rather than poetryetc. Now I've not seen this happen before and maybe it sheds some light on Daniel's problem. Dunno) david bircumshaw > Dear Daniel > > I don't think your messages disappeared... > > > it seems very probable > >that poetry should and could replace philosophy. > > I think rather that philosophy has been attempting, with various degrees > of success, to replace poetry, although perhaps both are these days > rather cowed by science. It would seem a shame if either were > obliterated by the other, but I would think very unlikely - philosophy > will just have to continue to envy poetry's irresponsibility and maybe > one day poetry will crawl out of its own belly and remember it doesn't > have to be anything except itself. > > Best wishes > > Alison