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Hello, did you watch last year Benigni's film: La vita e bella? I am interested to know your opinion as to what extent it is possoble and acceptable - in the post-modern era to treat to mak the Holocaust the subject of humorism, and how you received the author's message. Any indication would be most welcome, Erminia ----- Original Message ----- From: David Kennedy <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2000 11:44 AM Subject: Re: thoghtless behaviour > Here, here! Makes you wonder if beatrice is really krupoetry. > Cheers > David > -----Original Message----- > From: Lawrence Upton <[log in to unmask]> > To: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]> > Date: 18 April 2000 09:31 > Subject: thoghtless behaviour > > > >& there are poets who don't want to receive large attachments to email - > >please don't do that again > > > >L > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "beatrice alighieri" <[log in to unmask]> > >To: <[log in to unmask]> > >Sent: 18 April 2000 04:37 > >Subject: Re: subsidy culture/Divine Comedy > > > > > >| Can I speak? > >| There are poets beyond the see - they are > >| in touch with you and can read all your mail. > >| This is legimitate. > >| We have wide-opened ears. > >| Please, be communicative! > >| > >| Bibi > >| > >| --- Viv Kitson <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > >| > Martin - You're right, of course, about "fatuous > >| > ecstasies anent Beatrice > >| > Alighieri"...although I would have postulated my > >| > position as "simulated > >| > ecstasies". As other members of this list have > >| > frequently commented, irony > >| > does not - quite obviously - translate to email > >| > communication. Or, to quote > >| > Iggy Pop, "I'm bored, I'm the Chairman of the > >| > Bored". Just trying to > >| > stimulate a little "erudite" (??) fun on the list. > >| > > >| > And you are correct, quoting from memory: Beatrice > >| > Portinari it is. I've > >| > found on the bookshelves the volume of "The Divine > >| > Comedy" I bought when I > >| > was 15 or 16. "Oxford Editions of Standard Authors", > >| > translated by H.F.Cary, > >| > with 109 illustrations by John Flaxman (no > >| > publication date). I obviously > >| > bought it on sale: the price on the flyleaf is a > >| > crossed out 15/6 to 5/-. > >| > Circa 1961. five shillings was a lot for an > >| > adolecsent to spend on a volume > >| > of poetry. Particularly when I read Cary's Preface > >| > and note that it is dated > >| > February 1844! (that is, 100 years before I was > >| > born). > >| > > >| > I haven't seen the Blake illustrations to the Divine > >| > Comedy, but the Flaxman > >| > illustrations are decidedly in the Blake style. I > >| > can make this comment > >| > because I've also taken from the bookshelves my > >| > Viking Press 1960 edition of > >| > "The Portable Blake" - probably purchased > >| > contemporaneously with the Divine > >| > Comedy. > >| > > >| > Yes, Martin, I do not - to use a favourite word of > >| > contemporary > >| > politicians - resile from my adolescent fantasies > >| > and interests. They formed > >| > me (for better or worse). But I would have thought > >| > that my comment in my > >| > last response to "Beatrice Alighieri" - about > >| > playing with identities etc. - > >| > was a "dead give away" as to the position... > >| > > >| > FUN, Martin. Fun, GOOD FUN (but perhaps not > >| > erudite). > >| > > >| > Cheers, > >| > Viv Kitson > >| > > >| > Martin J. Walker wrote: > >| > > Excuse me if I interrupt the fatuous ecstasies > >| > anent "Beatrice Alighieri" > >| > > (sic), but it seems to me that you, Viv, and > >| > others perchance, have fallen > >| > > for a gross deception, an instance of what certain > >| > neo-gnostic > >| > commentators, > >| > > later unfortunately suppressed, have designated > >| > the "false Beatrice" > >| > > syndrome (so well known to Blake, vide his > >| > illustrations for the > >| > > _Commedia_ ). Who knows what subtle fairy has > >| > foisted this deceit on you, > >| > > ladies and gentlemen, but it is not, repeat NOT, > >| > the Beatrice Portinari (I > >| > > am open to correction to the spelling of her > >| > family name, not having the > >| > > relevant literature to hand in my sylvan retreat) > >| > of literary renown and > >| > > august anima of both Dante Alighieri and the > >| > adolescent Viv Kitson, known > >| > to > >| > > us as otherwise sharp-witted and adult contributor > >| > to this poetry list. > >| > > Another estimable contributor, Mairead by name, > >| > has suggested that > >| > > "Beatrice" is "Henry" - but who is Henry? Henry > >| > Pussycat is no longer with > >| > > us r.i.p. The dark wood grows curiouser and > >| > curiouser. Could the list have > >| > > been infected by a very intelligent virus, perish > >| > the thought, albeit one > >| > > that commits solecisms of the above-indicated kind > >| > and attempts to pull > >| > the > >| > > wool over our eyes with such patently fabricated > >| > misspellings as "hights" > >| > > and "wispering"? > >| > > Yours etc. Martin > >| > > > >| > > > >| > > >| > > >| > >| __________________________________________________ > >| Do You Yahoo!? > >| Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. > >| http://invites.yahoo.com > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- > - > >---- > > > > > > > > > > > > %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%