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just like to pass this on from other lists. >> thuan tran wrote: >> >> > just done some new poems: >> > >> > Monologue #7: Paper Cranes >> > >> > http://www.ducthuan.com/Poetry/Mono7/mono7.htm >> > >> > Monologue #8: Floating >> > >> > http://www.ducthuan.com/Poetry/Mono8/mono8.htm >> > >> > Monologue #9: Identification >> > >> > http://www.ducthuan.com/Poetry/Mono9/mono9.htm >> > >> > ----------------------- >> > >> > BTW, Merry X-mas and Happy New Year to my all >> > international cyber friends here at Webartery! >> > >> > best, >> > >> > Thuan. >> > http://www.ducthuan.com/ >> > >> > __________________________________________________ komninos reply: i believe 'motion' of text is the next big poetic device that is being explored by many people in this list. motion by way of flash, animated gif, dhtml, vrml, even html, is providing freshness to poetry; by introducing visual unpredictability, you never know where the words are coming from next, unlike page poems that reveal something by their spatial layout. much concrete and visual poetry attempts to create motion out of stillness, to imply motion in stationary word objects. your floating poem for example plays with our depth of vision and depth of meaning. whilst we are trying to decipher the layers we are also flipping between layers to extract links and meanings by adding other meaning to words, eg the motion, spin, added to the word head is read differently from the motion, spin, placed on to the word heart or wheel, or car or love or anger,etc. etc.. by adding choice and user input, as in your identity poem, there is visual meaning already associated with bar codes, then where in the bar code you decide to begin i would say greatly affects the outcome of the experience of the poem, i started in the middle and worked to the right so when i got to the links on the left i was shocked, so much of the previous stuff being fairly predictable as a cv type statement, so i thought i was in a poem which was saying we are all ordinary people, numbers in a system we agree to allow to control us, but when i received the input from the right side it changed completely. had i started from the left and worked right it would have been a different response, or from left to right. by adding a freedom of motion through a poem, rather than traversing its surface in a prescribed direction. your floating poem for example plays with our depth of vision and depth of meaning. whilst we are trying to decipher the layers we are also flipping between layers to extract links and meanings, usually our eyes are darting across pages from left to right, line by line, down the page till we have finished our scanning. in cyberspace we read into and around spaces. komninos >dear komninos, > >read your post to <nettime> > >it made me think Lyotard. i'm not sure how deeply he looks into >'poetry', although he certainly looks at 'poeisis' and the economies of >language. > >in a nutshell, i think one of his projects is to extend a very postmod. >analysis of meaning (all relative, connected, interwoven, interreliant) >to human (psychosocial) relations. but i'm not that familiar with his >work - not enough to give you anything clear cut. > >you should check out > >Jean-Francois Lyotard >THE LIBIDINAL ECONOMY >it'll be on any uni-library catalogue i suppose. > >the first few sections (in the intro or chapter 1) are specifically >focused on 'surface'. > >i wish you the best of luck and a happy xmas. >david teh > >Dear Komninos, > >You might want to consider checking the archives for a discussion on this topic. It took place two years ago, I believe. Fortunately, I remember copying many of the titles, and they follow this brief message. Everyone was in agreement about Bachelard's text, which you've probably already read. Good luck. > >Kala Xpistougena kai evtixismenos o kaivourgos xpovos. >Anastasios > > >Henri Lefebvre, THE PRODUCTION OF SPACE >Richard Sennett, Flesh & Stone: The Body and the City in Western Civilization >Lawrence Halprin, Cities >Edmund N. Bacon, Design of Cities >Mojdeh Baratloo & Clifton J. Balch, Angst: Cartography >Vittoria Calvani, Lost Cities >Gaston Bachelard, "The Poetics Of Space" trans. Maria Jolas >Bernard Rudofsky, Architecture without Architects >Robert Harbison, The Built, the Unbuilt and the Unbuildable >John Yau, Big City Primer >Louis Aragon, Paris Peasant > > >_________________ >Anastasios Kozaitis >30-63 29th Street >Astoria, NY 11102 > >(718) 267-7943 >[log in to unmask] > cheers komninos komninos's cyberpoetry site http://student.uq.edu.au/~s271502 cyberpoet@slv site http://www.experimedia.vic.gov.au/cyberpoet/ komninos zervos, tel. +61 7 55 948602 lecturer in cyberstudies, school of arts, gold coast campus, griffith university, pmb 50, gold coast mail centre queensland, 9726 australia.