In a message dated 6/16/00 9:57:36 PM, [log in to unmask] writes: << The point is that statistics, by themselves can be meaningless. Anyone who doesn't recognize the special dangers of mining and logging has never worked in either industry, and it is very probable that they won't understand what I am telling them. >> Right on. All the safety programs in the world will not help someone who is always trying to beat the system. Wise decision is a major part of defensive driving for example. Mason %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%