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I do hope John isn't trying to poach Unison members!!! BG Laurie Laurie Fenwick University of Sunderland Library [log in to unmask] [[log in to unmask]] http://www.geocities.com/laurie_fenwick [http://lauriefenwick.freeservers.com] Tel: +44 (0)191 515 3149 Fax: +44 (0)191 515 2901 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barry John" <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]>; "'Ingham, Richard'" <[log in to unmask]> Cc: "'Ian Gordon'" <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2000 2:26 PM Subject: RE: " Librarian's salaries " <<<big snip>> > > May I suggest that any librarians in higher education who are > interested in considering > this way forward in pursuit of better salaries and conditions of > service might like to > contact their institution's AUT Local Association secretary. In the > event of any difficulties > in doing so, you could contact AUT Head Office for further > information at > [log in to unmask] > > John Barry > AUT LA Secretary > University of Brighton > > > > ---------- > > From: Ingham, Richard > > Reply To: Ingham, Richard > > Sent: Friday, May 26, 2000 12:55 pm > > To: [log in to unmask] > > Cc: 'Ian Gordon' > > Subject: RE: " Librarian's salaries " > > > > For those of us in academic, especially HE libraries in the UK this seems > > a > > good idea. It would certainly get us away from the clerical based salary > > grades > > that the majority of us in the sector are on. Does anyone else feel the > > same > > and if so any ideas on how we might start the ball rolling? > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Ian Gordon [SMTP:[log in to unmask]] > > > Sent: 26 May 2000 02:59 > > > To: Fiona White; Ingham, Richard; [log in to unmask] > > > Cc: 'Laurie Fenwick' > > > Subject: RE: " Librarian's salaries " > > > > > > > > > From across the pond ... looking at this issue from a North American > > > academic perspective, librarians are increasingly joining faculty unions > > > and negotiating working conditions, benefits and salaries within the > > same > > > agreement. This has a dual purpose. Librarians belong to a larger > > > bargaining unit and are seen as academics and not support staff; It has > > > given librarians the need to be accountable to the entire academic > > > community and thus act in a nominal role worthy of tenured faculty. > > > > > > Librarians in many North American universities are paid very well from > > an > > > entry level position, increasing through the ranks based on merit and > > > length of service. > > > > > > Ian Gordon > > > > > > > > > At 11:22 AM 5/26/2000 +0100, Fiona White wrote: > > > >yeah. This discussion about low salaries has gone round and round on > > > >lis-link several times in the couple of years I've belonged to it. > > Anybody > > > >got any practical ideas about how to fight to raise salary levels? > > > > > > > >Fiona > > > > > > > > > > > >At 11:00 AM 26/05/00 +0100, Ingham, Richard wrote: > > > >>Well why don't we try it and see? > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>> And on the whole librarians tend not to be prepared to fight for > > higher > > > >>> wages!!! > > > >>> > > > >>> [And lets be honest, what do you think would happen if we were to > > start a > > > >>> fight?????] > > > >>> > > > >>> Laurie > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%