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>> The sound of the alarm `eee, eee, eee' as warning lights flashing and the >>life indicators go flat. This is a chilling scene. Put it on anytime >>anywhere and people will stop and watch in silence. so . . . . maybe examples do help, at least in doing some sorting out . . . . for me [and this may be peculiar but it's surely not idiosyncratic] the most "chilling" scene in films is the moment in THE SHINING when we sneak up behind nicholson's typewriter and read what he's been typing so obsessively for weeks . . . but that hardly counts as violence at all, even while promising violence down the road . . . for the purposes of this conversation [and perhaps only for those purposes] can we agree that "violence" means the graphic re-presentation via enactment [in images OR in sounds] of physical harm to living beings . . . i put it that way to include sounds of suffering from off-screen [or the example from 2001] but to exclude someone's telling ABOUT a violent event, in which case the difference between showing and telling is critical mike