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RE: LyricSurly language creates not a map but a myth. And our understanding is not given but taken in that it is received and our myths decide what parts we take for ourselves. Perhaps we think our understanding is a map but does that not imply some quantifiable reality? I do not think that it is absolutely clear as a scientific proof that physics exists beyond that which is observed. Jim =========================================================================== Jim Bennett http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Academy/1127/ PK Poetry List http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Aegean/9952/index.htm =========================================================================== ----- Original Message ----- From: Mills, Billy To: Mills, Billy Cc: [log in to unmask] Sent: 22 February 2000 14:51 Subject: RE: Lyric Time is tight here, so forgive my brevity. I guess I mean that, in my opinion, the world is not a social or mental construct. It pre-exists mind and will continue after mind has gone. The laws of physics operate independent of human agency. Language, on the other hand, is a temporary phenomenon. A tool we use, not to communicate, but to map the world. Which makes poetry. Lyric because I like the idea of vowel music and because the poem is, perforce, a map made by a single mind. If time allows, I may come back to this. Billy -----Original Message----- From: K.M. Sutherland [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2000 2:41 PM To: Mills, Billy Cc: [log in to unmask] Subject: RE: Lyric Billy -- I'm interested in how you describe your lyric poetry as having to do with -given reality-. Could you say more about what you mean by this, by how reality is -given-, for you? I've been tinkering with this word myself -- K