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Billy wrote, "To what extent is the 'apparent apathy for new media poetries' which we are told is evinced on this list a product of the immoderate language sometimes used by of proponents of such poetries?" Define immoderate language? Is it exuberant, passionate? I don't quite see what you mean Billy. Is it like some kind of New Age evangelism telling us that the way is computers, that we should take off into the cyber wilderness and look for the Big Dude in the pixels? What exactly is this immoderate language? Yours interested. Stephen %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%