I wrote the following as much as a warning to myself, as something to re-direct my own energies, as much as a polemic against Other Poets. It seems relevant-ish to the discussion. ? Growing up and then living as an adult in a semi-rural, semi-urban landscape is not always a guarantee that you will write about that world. For many the imagining of even the suburban world they know intimately is impossible: they have to give in to the temptations of the poetic City or The Countryside. Such poets do not live creatively in the place that their body lives, and this may well have an effect on the intensity with which they write (for bad, but yes perhaps for good). There may also be a kind of snobbery about this, the same snobbery which is as disdainful of the bungalows in Stephen Spielberg's films as it is of the extraterrestrials. To many poets, it seems, suburbia (and the car, as part of that) is the really alien land, and they are silent about it. Richard ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Place Locality Environment Author: cris cheek <[log in to unmask]> at Internet Date: 11/02/2000 10:19 hiya, liking this thread and its transports. Personal projections here would find me knowing the impact that travelling of all kinds has made on my writig. Speeds and modes of transports have directly taken part in the syntactical strategies I employ. Not necessarily high speeds. I do like walking and have practiced slow walking, a wonderful perceptual shifter. Sianed and I planned an annual slow walking of London Bridges race. The idea being that the person who finished last and took the longest time to walk the bridge whilst moving continually 'forwards' was the 'winner'. The set of pieces I',m about to issue under title 'f o g s' are all pieces written whilst walking or driving in fogs. Sometimes I like to see how far along a street I can go with my eyes closed, sometimes where i end up! I've been driving cars since I was seventeen and do about 25000 miles per year. Plus I travel for average 15 hours each week by train. Before I drove I had a motorbike for a couple of years. I ride a bike in the forests sometimes, trail crashing, off into waist-high ferns and along mud gullies. I enjoyed skiing until aged eighteen (every year since 6 yrs) and trained at downhill when they'd take us up to the top of a glacier (this was Andermatt Swiss Alps swiss side of Gottard Pass) take away our ski poles and with crash helmets on we'd plunge downhill. Also deep snow off-piste skiing with iridescence of snow streams in corner of vision. But I haven't done that since 1982 - pity. john's just back from skiing and iffin he's readig here might chip in on that. Closest, apart from body-surfing in heavy seas, I've come to high octane sports. Have been considering getting some roller skates after going skating several times recently with my son. He's into sk8boards and there's a great park near us. Anything for mobilities and motilities of the whole body (yes that's including the mind). love and love cris %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%