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Hiya, I'm fascinated (just back from marvelling at 'Las Meninas' and the late bleak Goya's in Madrid - over 40 celcius - drool) by Peter Riley's take on 'painful language' or readings which hurt the reader and wonder how he would see that in the context of 'punk'? Big discussion laying up behind this, needs must wait as I'm off again for a couple of days. But wanted to float the question. It won't do I hope to talk about the awkwardness of crossartform comparisons. love and love cris -- %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%