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Hi Henry, i share your ambition for poetry to have a role in society as a whole as you put it. Nothing i was saying predicated against that. Quite the opposite. It's exploring how to contextualise one's poetic practice that prepares for the greater realisation of that possibility. love and love cris ps -why do i always get either 2 or three copies of your posts? We should try to sort that out. -- %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%