JiscMail Logo
Email discussion lists for the UK Education and Research communities

Help for ARCH-THEORY Archives


ARCH-THEORY Archives

ARCH-THEORY Archives


ARCH-THEORY@JISCMAIL.AC.UK


View:

Message:

[

First

|

Previous

|

Next

|

Last

]

By Topic:

[

First

|

Previous

|

Next

|

Last

]

By Author:

[

First

|

Previous

|

Next

|

Last

]

Font:

Proportional Font

LISTSERV Archives

LISTSERV Archives

ARCH-THEORY Home

ARCH-THEORY Home

ARCH-THEORY  November 1999

ARCH-THEORY November 1999

Options

Subscribe or Unsubscribe

Subscribe or Unsubscribe

Log In

Log In

Get Password

Get Password

Subject:

Re: Truth in Archaeology

From:

Christos Galanis <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

[log in to unmask]

Date:

Tue, 09 Nov 1999 23:03:00 +0200

Content-Type:

text/plain

Parts/Attachments:

Parts/Attachments

text/plain (77 lines)

Mike Yates wrote:

> So how do you feel, Christos, about the quantification of the degree of
> "worth" of truths?
> Would it help us to be more objective in science to talk not of "truths"
> but of "high probabilities" and where possible to estimate a percentage
> of that probability?

I am not sure if we are at all in any disagreement. If I say e.g. that
"our temporal truth in astronomy is the Bing Bang theory" and you say
"Bing Bang theory is the most highly probable of all relevant theories",
I feel we say the same thing. 
Then, why do I speak of an -always temporal- truth? Because I don't
think that in any scientific field we could/can have e.g. 2 or 3
relevant theories of let's say 50%, 60% and 65% probabilities. If all
the facts are taken in mind, if no prejudice, or misconception about
the facts is involved, if all rules were upheld, then *one and only
one* theory can result as true, i.e. satisfying, all things considered.
And this is my temporal truth.      
Accepting our limits of thought in time does not imply "a free party
for everyone", or some politically correct "truth" according to one's
personal taste. Temporal yes, but inescapably one.  
 
> Is there any truth from which doubt can be completely eliminated
> (outside the defined mathematical fields you mentioned) ?

Definitely, no. As I've wrote in my previous mail, that would mean
that such a truth is the ultimate one, the eternal one, the "divine"
one. On the contrary, bearing in mind that any of our truths is
temporal, even if it concerns the most solid, obvious and self evident
truth that we posses, makes continuous doubt an indispensable element
of real scientific thought (as all scientists and philosophers can
assure us).   
Again, that isn't the same as to say that pure agnosticism (literally)
should reign. As in politics, it's healthy to doubt the value of any
given party, but when the crucial moment comes, one has to pick his
stand, or he has failed as a citizen.   
  
> Might other fields of human activity benefit from this mode of thinking,
> e.g. criminal justice, where an estimated probability might give more
> authority to a judgement that a bland statement of fact, so often later
> proved false?

I'll drink my glass of water, though I know that the still unknown
nature of the spin of its electrons may proved it to be something else
than I thought it was. That is, I think based on doubt, but I act
based on my temporal certainty.
Yes, even if a dozen people eye witnessed a crime, its truth is/will be
always questionable. Yet, we'll act according to our truth, which can
also be our final uncertainty about the given suspect.
Living and thinking are not identical. I live "as if" the sun will rise
again tomorrow. Still, I think that maybe the sun will not rise again
some "tomorrow" and if I happen to be an astronomer, rightly so!
  
> The Scottish legal system has a third verdict of "not
> proven".

We have "innocent due to doubts". Scottish system probably wants to
retain its right to a retrial, thus the third option of avoiding the
proclamation of innocence, but I am of my court here. :-) 

> I feel that a hundred possible verdicts would be more
> realistic; maybe more if, for instance, the death penalty were to
> require say 97.5% proof.       

I am not sure what you mean by "a hundred possible verdicts". Not
only death penalty, but all court penalties require our 100% proof,
which is not to say that our 100% proof is ultimately the true one.  

Thank you, Mike.-


Christos


%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%

Top of Message | Previous Page | Permalink

JiscMail Tools


RSS Feeds and Sharing


Advanced Options


Archives

May 2024
April 2024
March 2024
February 2024
January 2024
December 2023
November 2023
October 2023
September 2023
August 2023
July 2023
June 2023
May 2023
April 2023
March 2023
February 2023
January 2023
December 2022
November 2022
October 2022
September 2022
August 2022
July 2022
June 2022
May 2022
April 2022
March 2022
February 2022
January 2022
December 2021
November 2021
October 2021
September 2021
July 2021
June 2021
May 2021
April 2021
March 2021
February 2021
January 2021
December 2020
September 2020
July 2020
June 2020
May 2020
April 2020
March 2020
February 2020
January 2020
December 2019
November 2019
October 2019
September 2019
August 2019
July 2019
June 2019
May 2019
April 2019
March 2019
February 2019
December 2018
November 2018
October 2018
August 2018
July 2018
June 2018
May 2018
April 2018
March 2018
February 2018
January 2018
December 2017
October 2017
September 2017
August 2017
July 2017
June 2017
May 2017
April 2017
March 2017
February 2017
January 2017
December 2016
November 2016
October 2016
September 2016
August 2016
June 2016
May 2016
April 2016
February 2016
January 2016
December 2015
November 2015
October 2015
September 2015
August 2015
July 2015
June 2015
May 2015
April 2015
March 2015
February 2015
January 2015
December 2014
November 2014
October 2014
September 2014
July 2014
June 2014
May 2014
April 2014
March 2014
February 2014
January 2014
December 2013
November 2013
October 2013
September 2013
August 2013
July 2013
June 2013
May 2013
April 2013
March 2013
February 2013
December 2012
November 2012
October 2012
September 2012
August 2012
July 2012
June 2012
May 2012
April 2012
March 2012
February 2012
January 2012
December 2011
November 2011
October 2011
September 2011
August 2011
July 2011
June 2011
May 2011
April 2011
March 2011
February 2011
January 2011
December 2010
November 2010
October 2010
September 2010
August 2010
July 2010
June 2010
May 2010
April 2010
March 2010
February 2010
January 2010
December 2009
November 2009
October 2009
September 2009
August 2009
July 2009
May 2009
April 2009
March 2009
February 2009
January 2009
December 2008
November 2008
October 2008
September 2008
August 2008
July 2008
June 2008
May 2008
April 2008
March 2008
February 2008
January 2008
December 2007
November 2007
October 2007
September 2007
August 2007
July 2007
June 2007
May 2007
April 2007
March 2007
February 2007
January 2007
December 2006
November 2006
October 2006
September 2006
July 2006
May 2006
March 2006
February 2006
January 2006
December 2005
November 2005
October 2005
September 2005
August 2005
July 2005
June 2005
May 2005
April 2005
February 2005
January 2005
December 2004
November 2004
October 2004
September 2004
August 2004
July 2004
June 2004
May 2004
April 2004
March 2004
February 2004
January 2004
December 2003
November 2003
October 2003
September 2003
August 2003
July 2003
June 2003
May 2003
April 2003
March 2003
February 2003
January 2003
December 2002
November 2002
October 2002
September 2002
August 2002
July 2002
June 2002
May 2002
April 2002
March 2002
February 2002
January 2002
December 2001
November 2001
October 2001
September 2001
August 2001
July 2001
June 2001
May 2001
April 2001
March 2001
February 2001
January 2001
December 2000
November 2000
October 2000
September 2000
August 2000
July 2000
June 2000
May 2000
April 2000
March 2000
February 2000
January 2000
December 1999
November 1999
October 1999
September 1999
August 1999
July 1999
June 1999
May 1999
April 1999
March 1999
February 1999
January 1999
December 1998
November 1998
October 1998
September 1998


JiscMail is a Jisc service.

View our service policies at https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/policyandsecurity/ and Jisc's privacy policy at https://www.jisc.ac.uk/website/privacy-notice

For help and support help@jisc.ac.uk

Secured by F-Secure Anti-Virus CataList Email List Search Powered by the LISTSERV Email List Manager