Thanks to all who suggested a dip into Kelly. Book has been ordered from
library. Sharon
>From: Grover Zinn <[log in to unmask]>
>Reply-To: [log in to unmask]
>To: [log in to unmask]
>CC: Grover Zinn <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: creed
>Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 23:56:00 -0400 (EDT)
>
>The suggestion to take a look at JND Kelly, _Early Christian Creeds_ is
>right on target (suggested as a possibility in an earlier post). Kelly
>takes up the Descent into Hell in chapter 12. Useful exploration of early
>Christian literature on this point (and obviously "pre" Le Goff).
>
>Grover Zinn
>Oberlin College
>
>On Tue, 12 Oct 1999, Sharon Dale wrote:
>
> > Bill-the phrase isn't consistently present in the earlier creeds but I
>was
> > really wondering if there had been some question regarding descending to
> > inferna vs. purgatory in the late middle ages as the notion of a
>purgatory
> > is being shaped a la Le Goff. Any ideas where to look? thanks, Sharon
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Bill East <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 1999 11:41 AM
> > Subject: Re: creed
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Has anyone out there an idea of when the phrase "descendit ad
>inferos
> > > > (inferna) " became normative for the western church Creed after the
> > > > earlier councils. Was it contested in the later medieval period? My
> > > > reason is that the phrase is often paired with St. Thomas in
> > > > associations of apostles and the Creed and that suggests to me that
> > > > there might have been some "doubting" that had to be proven..Thanks
> > > > much
> > >
> > > I don't know if anyone did contest the phrase, but it is well grounded
> > > in scripture. 1 Peter 3:18f has, "In the body he was put to death, in
> > > the spirit he was raised to life, and, in the spirit, he went to
>preach
> > > to the spirits in prison . . .
> > >
> > > ". . . And because he is their judge too, the dead had to be told the
> > > Good news as well . . ." (1 Peter 4:6)
> > >
> > > To deny the clause would have been to deny the authority of St Peter's
> > > letter. Again, I don't know if in fact anyone did so. Stranger
>things
> > > have happened.
> > >
> > > Bill.
> > >
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