Hi,
Well I do agree with you-but what I fear is debates from those of us
who have inadequate knowledge and are not tactically savy.
In Unity,
Phyllis
On Wed, 13 Oct 1999, Carolyn Tyjewski wrote:
> Phyllis,
>
> In order to get air time to get our side heard debate becomes necessary.
> Protests are fine as far as they go. The problem, of course, is that the press
> makes up a voice for us -- calls it Right to Life or whatever -- because we
> supposedly could never possibly have come to our own conclusions and we are
> never heard.
>
> Singer is not going to change his views and that does not matter. What matters
> is what other people hear. If all they hear is Singer, all they'll know is
> Singer and we'll have the same problem we already have which is a serious
> proliferation of miseducation.
>
> What should be done is analyze what Singer said, what his responses were, to
> various points that Adrienne made so that next time more of what he says is
> debunked, seen for the problematic egocentric clap trap that it is.
>
> Having grown up in Klan central, I learned a few tricks from them and used
> those tricks to survive and one of them kind of applies here. Know your enemy
> so you can take what they perceive to be their strong points and beat them to
> death with it. Peter Singer has some pretty obvious weak spots in his armor of
> an argument that he believes are his strong suits. Attack them with blunt,
> direct, to the point blows and his argument falls apart like it was made with
> wet toilet paper. Don't debate it and only his view, the majority view, is
> heard.
>
> The question, of course, becomes, "Which would you prefer?"
>
> "Dr.Phyllis Rubenfeld" wrote:
>
> > Hi Steve,
> > More debates??????? You can't be serious-do you think that Hitler just
> > needed to hear more about the Jews, Catholics and Gypcies and the KKK
> > about Blacks and Jews and things would work out differently-I'd support
> > Teach-Ins for those disabled people who agree with Singer- We need more
> > action!!!!!!!!!
> > In Unity,
> > Phyllis
> >
> > On Wed, 13 Oct 1999, Stephen N. Drake wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > >From what little I know from press quotes, it looks like Adrienne did a
> > > fine job last night and probably had some effect on the thinking of the
> > > immediate audience - a caveat, though; a friend on another list was able
> > > to attend the simulcast at the university. Walking home, he overheard 4
> > > students in front of him talking about how impressive Singer was in his
> > > arguments. 20 minutes of conversation with them yielded some concessions
> > > that Adrienne raised some real concerns that needed attention. There's a
> > > legitimate question as to whether the "average student" hears the same
> > > debate as listeners coming from a comprehensive background in disability
> > > issues.
> > >
> > > However, most people are going to be getting their information from
> > > mainstream media coverage - and the samples I have indicate that the
> > > impact on the popular press (and the campus press) was minimal in regard
> > > to how important or convincing Adrienne's arguments were - in terms of
> > > what the press chose to report.
> > >
> > > Princeton is likely to think that they have done their bit to provide
> > > "balance" in regard to having done this one debate and that this should be
> > > the the end of the matter. It isn't.
> > >
> > > This probably goes without saying, but it is going to take a *lot* more to
> > > have an impact on coverage of the Singer controversy. This coverage in
> > > turn influences public perception of the issues. We'll need a lot more
> > > debates like last night's and more grassroots activism.
> > >
> > > But this is a pretty good start. Singer and Princeton have both wanted to
> > > label *any* opposition as coming from "right to life" - Singer was still
> > > telling this to Australian papers a few weeks ago. For now, they have
> > > been effectively been prevented from making that claim.
> > >
> > > I'll forward some of the coverage to the list shortly.
> > >
> > > Stephen Drake
> > > Not Dead Yet
> > >
> > >
>
> --
> Carolyn
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