*This was meant for the entire list*
You must realize that this proves absolutely nothing except that the "men"
in question here are violent morons who would beat women for about any
reason.
For every example of a "man" becoming violent after watching a sporting
event, I can show you several men who never do or would. I will reserve
final judgement until Maria posts her references, but nothing I've read so
far here has even slightly began to convince me that football is what
encourages violence. To me, a violent person will find a reason to be
violent. For example, if football disappeared, the amount of violence
against women, pwds etc. would be the same. There is an underlying issue
here that is the cause of such behaviour.
David Kehler
Information Systems Technologist
Canadian Centre on Disability Studies
Web Site: http://www.escape.ca/~ccds/
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Date: February 8, 1999 4:09 AM
Subject: Re: football and violence
>
>Gill Radford presented a paper at last years BSA on this topic. I think
>it was called something like "Praying for a draw". She interviewed
>women at a local refuge who described how, on a Saturday night after
>football, their partners would regularly beat them. They were violent
>if their team lost and got drunk if their team won, either way resulted
>in a beating. For the women the best result was a draw. The research
>took place in Middlesboro towards the end of the season as the local
>team were struggling to avoid relegation (which they didn't), a factor
>which Radford argues added to the tension. Can't remember the full
>details of the paper, but she clearly showed how football can cause
>violence against women.
>
>Nick
>
>I would also be interested to learn how football encourages violence
>against women and children. I have no experience of American football
>but UK football is often characterised by feminist writers in a
>similar way; however, I have no direct evidence of this myself. My
>club side, Chelsea, is well known for its violent following, but this
>is usually lads fighting each other; I have never seen violence
>perpetrated against women and children. Do you mean that football
>encourages men commit physical assaults on women and children
>outside of football? This is highly unlikely. Have any of these
>feminists who criticise 'macho' working class male culture ever been
>to a football match? I doubt it! Let's be clear, maleviolence is a
>problem, but it has very little to do with football. If there is
>violence at football (a problem in the UK) or if some men who attend
>football are also violent outside of football, this is more likely to
>reflect broader social values and relations. I have yet to see any of
>this' well documented' evidence of football being the cause.
>Nick Watson
>Dept Nursing Studies
>University of Edinburgh
>Adam Ferguson Building
>40 George Square
>Edinburgh
>EH8 9LL
>
>Tel: 0131 650 3895
>Fax: 0131 650 3891
>
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