Date: Thu, 25 Feb 99 22:22:53 CET
From: Jim Benson, AICP
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Stop Gabor's Question
Gabor and others.
Please stop forwarding these messages to the UrbaNet list. They are not
fostering discussion.
I had hoped, as I'm sure you did, for an interesting discussion about what
creates disenfranchised peoples and how, politically, people respond to
being disenfranchised -- but this has clearly not happened.
Thank you.
Jim
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Urban and Regional Planners Network
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Varnai Gabor
> Sent: Thursday, February 25, 1999 12:37 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: Bosnia, Kossovo and
> Kurdistan Gabor's Question
>
>
> Date: Fri, 25 Dec 98 16:53:35 CET
> From: Mustafa Ozbilgin
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: Bosnia, Kossovo and
> Kurdistan Gabor's
> Question
>
> >Date: Wed, 24 Feb 99 00:51:30 CET
> >From: patsilarasvasilis
> >To: h7711var; URBANET
> >Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: Bosnia, Kossovo and Kurdistan Gabor's
> >Question
> >
> >Turks flourish in Germany, Netherlands, etc. enjoying much
> greater freedom
> >than in their own homeland. This the main reason why they do not
> return back
> >home. In any case they enjoy much greater freedom than any
> ethnic group ever
> >enjoyed in Turkey. Turkey has been the champion of genocides this century
> >(much worst than Hitler's Germany) starting with Armenians (in
> the 1910s),
> >followed by Jews, Greeks and other ethnic minorities (in the
> 1920s) during
> >Kemal's ethnic cleansing efforts. Greeks followed again
> (Istambul, 1955 and
> >in the 1960s) and for the last decade or so the Kurds are
> exterminated. For
> >example, between the early 1950s and today, the number of Greeks
> living in
> >Istanbul went down from over 200,000 thriving people to 2,000 -
> 3,000 scared
> >and aging souls.
> >So, whoever you are, do not talk about human rights and humane
> treatment of
> >minorities in Europe. As you said look at your own garden.
> >
> >Vasilis Patsilaras
>
>
>
>
> messages like this are pure 'ipse dixism's. claiming that turks fourish in
> germany and rest of europe is arrogant and racist. turks and kurds arer
> there mostly due to economic reasons. i am kurdish from turkey.
> who are you
> to tell me how i am treated in turkey? how about the 200.000 turkish
> minority in northern greece? i have friends from that minority
> and they are
> treated in most inhumane ways by the greek authorities, their names are
> changed and they are kept under strict police surveillance. that's why i
> was saying go and dig your own dirt in your own gardens.
>
> mustafa ozbilgin
>
> ___________________________________________
> Mustafa F. Özbilgin
> Lecturer in Human Resource Management
> University of Hertfordshire
> Business School
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> Hertfordshire
> England
>
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